Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
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(07-21-2011, 02:16 AM)Gregory I Wrote: But the reprobate are not damned because God did not give them the grace to turn to him, they are damned on account of their sinfulness.

No, calvinism is not the logical outgrowth of Augustinianism, Pelagianism is the Logical outgrowth of Molinism,because itsays that man's freewill is the deciding factor in his salvation, when it is the grace of God.

If God elects to salvation some without any consideration of their future merits, and all those he does not elect are infallibly excluded from salvation, then saying they go to hell either because they sinned or because God didn't give them grace is really just semantics.  If they sinned, it is also because God did not give them grace not to, correct?  Calvinism is the logical outgrowth of Augustinianism, Pelagianism is not the logical outgrowth of Molinism because Molinism came later.  Perhaps you meant Molinism is another form of Semi-pelagianism?  You say that one goes to hell on account of their sinfulness, but that salvation is by God's grace.  That makes absolutely no sense.  Salvation and damnation are flipsides of the same coin, each being the result of a yes or no answer to the same question.  If choosing yes is not by us but because of God's grace, then choosing no must necessarily also be not by us but because God's grace is withheld, which really is exactly what you said when you say God unconditionally elects some and everyone else is necessarily excluded without exception.  If choosing no is a free choice on our part and we are solely responsible, then choosing yes is also free choice on our part and we are solely responsible (for the act of saying yes, not for effecting salvation from the yes).  If I am understanding your argument correctly, then the doctrine of predestination as according to Augustine and Aquinas is schizophrenic and thoroughly and clearly inconsistent with itself.

If God must will some to hell because his will can't be confounded by man's choice, then it must mean that God not only chooses for some to go to hell, but unconditionally because for them to go by their own sinfullness would also confound God's will, it would be by their doing and not God's, removing his sovereignty in the matter.  So you see, Calvinism clearly is Augustinianism logically followed through.  It will be a great day for the Catholic Church when it abandons the myopic patristics of focusing solely on Augustine and Aquinas and returns to a balanced patristic outlook, one encompassing the entire sensus fidei.
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Re: Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism? - by Melkite - 07-21-2011, 08:39 AM



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