Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
That is Correct DOCE, but there are two things here you are treating as one:

1. Sin.
2. Guilt.

Original sin does NOT have the Character of Personal Sin. True. But it does have the Character of Personal Guilt for another's sin, in which we are implicated. When Adam sinned, we were all in Adam, and so we all share the guilt of that first sin.

This is the infallible teaching of the Church as put forth by the Ecumenical Council of Trent. That's why I do not like the new Catechism, it presents things in such a vague way.

Look at Trent:

Council of Trent, Session 5 Paragraph 3. (By the way, the churches of the east are subject to the dogmas established by an ecumenical council, even Trent.)

3. If any one asserts, that this sin of Adam,--which in its origin is one, and being transfused into all by propogation, not by imitation, is in each one as his [b]own[/b], --is taken away either by the powers of human nature, or by any other remedy than the merit of the one mediator, our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath reconciled us to God in his own blood, made unto us justice, santification, and redemption; or if he denies that the said merit of Jesus Christ is applied, both to adults and to infants, by the sacrament of baptism rightly administered in the form of the church; let him be anathema: For there is no other name under heaven given to men, whereby we must be [Page 23] saved. Whence that voice; Behold the lamb of God behold him who taketh away the sins of the world; and that other; As many as have been baptized, have put on Christ.

Also, against the Eastern Notion that Original Sin is simply mortality and death, but not actual guilt:

2. If any one asserts, that the prevarication of Adam injured himself alone, and not his posterity; and that the holiness and justice, received of God, which he lost, he lost for himself alone, and not for us also; or that he, being defiled by the sin of disobedience, has only transfused death, and pains of the body, into the whole human race, but not sin also, which is the death of the soul; let him be anathema:--whereas he contradicts the apostle who says; By one man sin entered into the world, and by sin death, and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned.

In the 6th Session and 3rd Chapter of this holy and ecumenical council, it was stated:


Who are justified through Christ.

But, though He died for all, yet do not all receive the benefit of His death, but those only unto whom the merit of His passion is communicated. For as in truth men, if they were not born propagated of the seed of Adam, would not be born unjust,-seeing that, by that propagation, they contract through him, when they are conceived, injustice as their own,-so, if they were not born again in Christ, they never would be justified; seeing that, in that new birth, there is bestowed upon them, through the merit of His passion, the grace whereby they are made just. For this benefit the apostle exhorts us, evermore to give thanks to the Father, who hath made us worthy to be partakers of the lot of the saints in light, and hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love, in whom we have redemption, and remission of sins.

The guilt of original sin is our own real and fully personal guilt for our implication in the sin of Adam. This is contracted by generation, in conception. The Church bearing witness.

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Re: Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism? - by Gregory I - 07-22-2011, 02:00 AM

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