Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
(07-29-2011, 02:11 PM)Walty Wrote:
(07-29-2011, 12:16 AM)Melkite Wrote:
(07-29-2011, 12:09 AM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: Augustine was not simply a Father amongst many but the "Doctor of Grace." His theology concerning predestination and grace has been accepted by the Church as her own.

This has nothing to do with the numbers of fathers supposedly for or against it. Scripture itself testifies clearly in favour of Augustinianism/Thomism concerning this issue.

To the first point, that's exactly where my question leads.  If that is the case, how then can the Church be said to have maintained the Apostolic Faith, if it has accepted as its own a doctrine that many of the Fathers did not hold?

By that logic, the TLM and the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception are novelties and heresy as well.  Theology develops organically, especially in the Church's early history.  Most of the Apostles were poor fishermen, not theologians or philosophers.

I understand development of doctrine.  But you said your self, most of the quotes I gave appear to support a molinist view.  What I'm talking about is not merely the development of a doctrine that wasn't really grasped in the Apostolic era, but rather an entire paradigm shift.  Is there any evidence to suggest Augustinian predestination was developing in that direction from the beginning, or does the evidence actually show a paradigm shift beginning with Augustine?  If the latter, who can the Church adopt Augustine's doctrine and merely say it was a developing doctrine?  Do you have any quotes from fathers or doctors besides Augustine that it would be hard to interpret in any way other than moving in Augustine and Aquinas's direction?

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Re: Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism? - by Melkite - 07-29-2011, 07:27 PM

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