Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
(07-29-2011, 01:54 AM)Gregory I Wrote: St. Ambrose explains, "that having granted the law to all, He excludes no one from His kingdom."

In response to St. Ambrose:

Of Course, Christ died for men of every tribe tongue and nation. All kinds of people from every station and walk of life can come to Christ. That is definitely true. BUT that does not mean that he actively wills the individual and personal salvation of every individual person. This is seen in Scripture. When Christ was saying, "Woe to you Corazin, Woe to you Bethsaida, For if Tyre and Sidon had seen the miracles you had seen, they would have repented." That means that even though some people WOULD have repented, nevertheless, God did not will their salvation. God does not owe it to us.

Where is Christ dying for men of every tribe and nation coming from?  This was not a part of the text itself, are you reading a preconceived notion onto it, or are you referencing something else?

(07-29-2011, 01:54 AM)Gregory I Wrote: "Grace," says the divine Chrysostom (St. John), "though it is grace, yet it saves only those who desire."

In response to St. John Chrysostom, None can desire God unless God first gives them grace. So if some do not desire God, he has not given them the Victorious delight of Grace and does not will to save them.

Again, you seem to be reading a preconceived notion into St. John's writings.  It seems St. John did not consider such limitations that you box him in with.

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Re: Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism? - by Melkite - 07-29-2011, 10:03 PM



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