Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism?
(08-01-2011, 03:53 AM)Walty Wrote:
(08-01-2011, 03:42 AM)Norbert Wrote:
(08-01-2011, 03:07 AM)Gregory I Wrote: Can you will it without him willing it for you first?

Can you approach GOd BEFORE he gives you the grace to turn to him?

People often ignore, on all sides of these debates, that God is outside of time..."before" and similar concepts don't always mean the same as typical conceptions.

Don't think of it temporally but from the point of causality.  The questions Gregory has pointed out to you are still valid.

Good point.  Do the theologians who advance the idea that God foreknows who will be saved but offers grace to everyone and allows those who will to "open the present" of grace, as it were, count as pelagians in the Augustinian understanding?  I was reading "Catholicism and fundamentalism" by the author of Catholic Answers, and he argues just that in an attack on protestant calvinism.  It's how I've always understood Catholic theology.

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Re: Can we extricate ourselves from Molinism? - by Norbert - 08-01-2011, 05:15 AM

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