The Fall of Father Corapi by Christopher A. Ferrara
(08-01-2011, 09:46 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: another hypocritical judgment on your part....the hits just keep coming. ::)

No. You're wrong.  You've been wrong consistently.  Got anything new instead of repeating your same old errors and misdeeds?
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(08-01-2011, 09:49 AM)Gerard Wrote:
(08-01-2011, 09:46 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: another hypocritical judgment on your part....the hits just keep coming. ::)

No. You're wrong.  You've been wrong consistently.  Got anything new instead of repeating your same old errors and misdeeds?
I know ya are but what am I, I know ya are but what am I. Man Im begining to think you think yourself infallable. Simply stating...NO your wrong> What is that? ??? Many people can read this thread for themselves, your judgment of me has been done on exactly the same basis I found fault with black dog...exactly the same. But your assertion is because he WAS a priest that criticism of his actions vis/vis the publicity stunt, is beyond the pale, but you can slander and attack me with impunity. WAKE UP
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(08-01-2011, 09:54 AM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: I know ya are but what am I, I know ya are but what am I.

You refuse to address the clarifications I make. Why should I provide more than the assertion since that's what you do?

Quote: Man Im begining to think you think yourself infallable.

I don't care.

Quote: Simply stating...NO your wrong> What is that? ???

Statement of fact.  I've already proven you wrong. You've been unwiling and unable to prove your assertions. Why repeat myself?

Quote: Many people can read this thread for themselves, your judgment of me has been done on exactly the same basis I found fault with black dog...exactly the same.

Wrong, I'm going on firsthand knowledge of your actions as demonstrated on this thread. You are going on accusations made by thirdhand parties and choosing to believe them. But that's only part of your multi-layered attack. You attack him for "leaving his post" but you hate "his post" and him for it anyway. 

Quote: But your assertion is because he WAS a priest that criticism of his actions vis/vis the publicity stunt, is beyond the pale,

No. You don't know his actions, you take third party accusations as FACT on nothing but faith and the convenience of allowing you to attack him for not being what you want him to be, despite your vague and uncertain knowledge of him.

Quote:but you can slander and attack me with impunity. WAKE UP

Prove your case that I slandered you and attacked you.  You called me a "dolt."  Do you expect to get away with that with impunity?  What did Corapi do to you?  Do you expect to slander him with impunity? 

But you don't seem to be capable of actually proving a case.  You just repeat, repeat, repeat insipid, vague assertions. 

Come up with something substantial, Man.  So far you've provided nothing but your ill thought out opinions. 
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I read this commentary recently on Fr Corapi:

"An open letter to the Catholic media:

In the 22 days since the release of the July 5, 2011 letter from Fr Gerrard Sheehan of SOLT -the Catholic media, including hundreds of internet news and bloggers, television and radio, have reported the various accusations against Father John Corapi as irrefutably true. Without a trial or the presentation of evidence, these Catholic media sources have pronounced guilt upon Father Corapi, without even the faitntest presumption of innocense. Neither have these media sources once questioned the motives or the validity of the accusers charges against Father Corapi.

In that time we have not seen one credible shred of evidence against Father John Corapi to validate the charges against him. In fact, we have not even seen one piece of incredible evidence against Father Corapi and yet we are supposed to believe some rather incredible things.

We are to believe that previously:

Apart from a possible single DUI offense 12 years ago (which incurred a 7 day probationary penalty), that in 20 years of public ministry, Father Corapi was never seen publically in an intoxicated state.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to either seeing Father Corapi use illegal or abuse legal drugs, as having done drugs with Father Corapi, or sold illegal drugs to or purchased illegal drugs for Father Corapi's use.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to Father Corapi having either solicited prostitutes or escort services either under his own name or under an alias.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to Father Corapi engaging in improper sacramental practices either in public or private celebration of the Eucharist or through the use of his priestly faculties.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as having been someone with whom Father Corapi has had willing or unwilling sexual relations with or cohabitated with romantically.

That in the space of 20 days a nameless investigative trio determined beyond all reasonable doubt that Father John Corapi is guilty of all the above offenses.

The Catholic media has not shown either through reports of witnesses or first hand witness that Father John Corapi was ever unable to perform his public ministry either due to the effects of drunkeness or drug abuse.

The Catholic media has not shown either through witness accounts or physical or circumstantial evidence (ex. credit card statements, financial records, photographs, recordings, videos) that Father Corapi ever procured or solicited prostitutes or sex related services through an escort service.

The Catholic media has not shown that Father John Corapi ever in any way engaged in improper sacramental practices, either by breaking the seal of the confessional, illicit or invalid consecration, profaning of the Eucharist, unauthorized ordinations, imporper use of priestly faculties, etc.

The Catholic media has not shown how SOLT's nameless investigative trio acquired evidence, gathered testimony, provided the names of witnesses, nor have they provided the names of the investigators themselves or the principal accusers in the case Tamra Sexton or Matt Sprinkle.

This assassination attempt upon the character and reputation of Father John Corapi has been a case of journalistic malpractice of the hightest order. It is unjust, it is immoral and it is unconscionable. Retractions need to be made and apologies issued and follow up stories created immediately.

The various commentaries, conversations, conjecture and conspiracy theories confirming Father Corapi's guilt and the reasons for his every public action have been breathtaking in their scope and presumptiousness. Scandalously, the purveyors of this inane tabloid babble have the audacity to call themselves American or worse yet, Catholic and Christian.

Instead of the intellectual arson that has been carried out upon Father John Corapi's reputation and the minds of the Catholic faithful "
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(08-01-2011, 02:07 PM)dan hunter Wrote: I read this commentary recently on Fr Corapi:

"An open letter to the Catholic media:

In the 22 days since the release of the July 5, 2011 letter from Fr Gerrard Sheehan of SOLT -the Catholic media, including hundreds of internet news and bloggers, television and radio, have reported the various accusations against Father John Corapi as irrefutably true. Without a trial or the presentation of evidence, these Catholic media sources have pronounced guilt upon Father Corapi, without even the faitntest presumption of innocense. Neither have these media sources once questioned the motives or the validity of the accusers charges against Father Corapi.

In that time we have not seen one credible shred of evidence against Father John Corapi to validate the charges against him. In fact, we have not even seen one piece of incredible evidence against Father Corapi and yet we are supposed to believe some rather incredible things.

We are to believe that previously:

Apart from a possible single DUI offense 12 years ago (which incurred a 7 day probationary penalty), that in 20 years of public ministry, Father Corapi was never seen publically in an intoxicated state.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to either seeing Father Corapi use illegal or abuse legal drugs, as having done drugs with Father Corapi, or sold illegal drugs to or purchased illegal drugs for Father Corapi's use.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to Father Corapi having either solicited prostitutes or escort services either under his own name or under an alias.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as a witness to Father Corapi engaging in improper sacramental practices either in public or private celebration of the Eucharist or through the use of his priestly faculties.

That in 20 years no one has come forward as having been someone with whom Father Corapi has had willing or unwilling sexual relations with or cohabitated with romantically.

That in the space of 20 days a nameless investigative trio determined beyond all reasonable doubt that Father John Corapi is guilty of all the above offenses.

The Catholic media has not shown either through reports of witnesses or first hand witness that Father John Corapi was ever unable to perform his public ministry either due to the effects of drunkeness or drug abuse.

The Catholic media has not shown either through witness accounts or physical or circumstantial evidence (ex. credit card statements, financial records, photographs, recordings, videos) that Father Corapi ever procured or solicited prostitutes or sex related services through an escort service.

The Catholic media has not shown that Father John Corapi ever in any way engaged in improper sacramental practices, either by breaking the seal of the confessional, illicit or invalid consecration, profaning of the Eucharist, unauthorized ordinations, imporper use of priestly faculties, etc.

The Catholic media has not shown how SOLT's nameless investigative trio acquired evidence, gathered testimony, provided the names of witnesses, nor have they provided the names of the investigators themselves or the principal accusers in the case Tamra Sexton or Matt Sprinkle.

This assassination attempt upon the character and reputation of Father John Corapi has been a case of journalistic malpractice of the hightest order. It is unjust, it is immoral and it is unconscionable. Retractions need to be made and apologies issued and follow up stories created immediately.

The various commentaries, conversations, conjecture and conspiracy theories confirming Father Corapi's guilt and the reasons for his every public action have been breathtaking in their scope and presumptiousness. Scandalously, the purveyors of this inane tabloid babble have the audacity to call themselves American or worse yet, Catholic and Christian.

Instead of the intellectual arson that has been carried out upon Father John Corapi's reputation and the minds of the Catholic faithful "

Very good.
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Yes very good.
So why abandon the priesthood. Dammit corapi your innocent stop wussing out...keep your collar...FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT ASA PRIEST!
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(08-01-2011, 07:47 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Yes very good.
So why abandon the priesthood. Dammit corapi your innocent stop wussing out...keep your collar...FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT ASA PRIEST!

He can always be reinstated as a fully functioning priest.  But he can't do that when he is left in canonical limbo forever.  The heirarchy was waiting for Archbishop LeFebvre to die without consecrating bishops, there is no reason they would ever give a priest they wanted to get off the scene a fair shot. 

Besides, you couldn't stand him as a fully functioning priest either.  You claim he "left his post" but you hated his "post" to begin with. 
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(08-01-2011, 09:03 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(08-01-2011, 07:47 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Yes very good.
So why abandon the priesthood. Dammit corapi your innocent stop wussing out...keep your collar...FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT ASA PRIEST!

He can always be reinstated as a fully functioning priest.  But he can't do that when he is left in canonical limbo forever.  The heirarchy was waiting for Archbishop LeFebvre to die without consecrating bishops, there is no reason they would ever give a priest they wanted to get off the scene a fair shot. 

Besides, you couldn't stand him as a fully functioning priest either.  You claim he "left his post" but you hated his "post" to begin with. 
You see here is the lie finally exposed.....what you just said is only in your fevered imagination. He was the only person I could stand to watch on EWTN. But I am scandalised by his profane actions now. I have said this a million times but you refuse to acknowledge it because you cant repent how you treated me. FURTHER you insist I accept Black dog publicity hound...and I will not...no more than a son could accept a slutty girlfriend his dad left his mom for. You see the black dog thing as a positive,,,I see it completely differently and for that you judged me to hell. Some Catholic you are.
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You guys have pretty much killed the thread  ;D  Also, I  dont think anyone is reading all your banter.
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(08-01-2011, 10:08 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote:
(08-01-2011, 09:03 PM)Gerard Wrote:
(08-01-2011, 07:47 PM)voxpopulisuxx Wrote: Yes very good.
So why abandon the priesthood. Dammit corapi your innocent stop wussing out...keep your collar...FIGHT DAMMIT FIGHT ASA PRIEST!

He can always be reinstated as a fully functioning priest.  But he can't do that when he is left in canonical limbo forever.  The heirarchy was waiting for Archbishop LeFebvre to die without consecrating bishops, there is no reason they would ever give a priest they wanted to get off the scene a fair shot. 

Besides, you couldn't stand him as a fully functioning priest either.  You claim he "left his post" but you hated his "post" to begin with. 
You see here is the lie finally exposed.....what you just said is only in your fevered imagination. He was the only person I could stand to watch on EWTN. But I am scandalised by his profane actions now. I have said this a million times but you refuse to acknowledge it because you cant repent how you treated me. FURTHER you insist I accept Black dog publicity hound...and I will not...no more than a son could accept a slutty girlfriend his dad left his mom for. You see the black dog thing as a positive,,,I see it completely differently and for that you judged me to hell. Some Catholic you are.

Really?  You don't remember writing this, do you?

Quote:What statements has he made that would bother the NO Neo-Cons bishops which are safe from persecution because they too are part of the new springtime. Black Dog has never said anything more controversial then Scott Hahn. Micheal Voris is more "traditional" then Black Dog. The Guys at Catholic Answers are just as conservative and outspoken as Black Dog. So where or why would modernist bishops suppress a popular money making modernist neo-con???

or this?

Quote:I just found out that black dog supported mudgygory (deliberate misspelling) so he is a heretical wolf in sheeps clothing any way as far as I am concerned. I wash my hands of him and praise Gods justice being meted out to him...maybe he'll recant that, then he could once more be a shepherd worth following . God took him out...the bishops are right.
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