The SSPX Talks With Rome Are Not a Failure
(07-27-2011, 03:28 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote:
(07-27-2011, 03:14 PM)Aenigmata in Tenebris Wrote:
(07-27-2011, 03:02 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote: How can you seriously contend that the SSPX is under interdict, when they're practically the only organization in Western Europe that actually obeys and respects the person and office of the Pope?

The Photian Schism took hundreds of years to heal and the most recent one is still in effect.  Church history, much?

History much... yes. Photius and his followers were heretics and rightly considered outside the Church by such definition. Are you contending by such comparison that the SSPX and its founder were heretical or that the body they broke from were heretical?
  Not heretical, schismatic. Doctrine, much?
Quote:Why have an argument about it (interdict) for 20 years, when it is easy to verify in the Archbishops own writings. When he got the notice to cease all his priestly activities and was forbidden to say mass, he actually quoted it in a sermon 1970s. I can find it for you if you want. Do you want me to do that for you?
You mean you wished that he'd shut up and egaged in the conceit of false obedience when there are Bishops who do far worse things than teach orthodox doctrines and say the Immemorial Mass of all Ages.  In other words, it shouldn't take twenty years to figure out that some Bishops who are heretical go unpunished, even make the rules, while those who are orthodox are punished, censured, isolated and even destroyed.   Why not notice the immense disparity between your fulsome insistence that Archbishop Lefebvre obey the Church, while you infer that Bishops in "full communion" need not?
Quote:In addition to that, every other week it seems like someone at the Vatican confirms that the SSPX has no priestly mission or jurisdiction to provide sacraments anywhere in the world. Every time there is an SSPX ordination ceremony it is condemned.

Never the less, the SSPX has been growing and confirming its mission, despite hostile forces both in secular society and within  the Church itself.

I think you have already made some erroneous assumptions as to my beliefs, yet all I am trying to do is keep you honest. I agree with what the Archbishop did and your statements concerning prelates post-Vatican II.

You were passive aggressive in inferring a lack of knowledge in history, yet YOU compared the SSPX establishment to that of Photian. When I suggested a clarification, you inferred a lack of knowledge in doctrine. If I actually disagreed with you, all you would achieve is an angry partner in conversation.

In being honest with ourselves, it is historical fact that Archbishop Lefebvre acknowledged a receipt a notice of interdict and that he was forbidden to say mass.

As I said before, I probably agree with you. You assumed I brought up the interdict to bash the Archbishop or the SSPX - on the contrary, I just meant to state them as a matter of fact. I think very little of the organization/people that sent him the notice of interdict for the reasons you mentioned. I regard the archbishop most highly. I think the SSPX has deviated from his vision, but we don't need to quarrel on that point.

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Re: The SSPX Talks With Rome Are Not a Failure - by Aenigmata in Tenebris - 07-27-2011, 03:56 PM

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