The heresy of Americanism!
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(07-29-2011, 08:32 PM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote: The modern world's collapse.

Well nevermind. I guess we're not talking about the same thing.
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(07-29-2011, 08:28 PM)LoneWolfRadTrad Wrote: Its only delaying the inevitable and dragging plenty of Catholics down with it.

That's as may be, but it still isn't Americanism , as condemned by Rome, to support it!
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#23
It would be better if the U.S. were officially protestant with tolerance for Catholics (as this is an error in fact), than the current situation today, wherein religious liberty is a fundamental principle (error in principle).
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Quote: Its only delaying the inevitable and dragging plenty of Catholics down with it.
  nihilism.  Interesting.  Did you ever consider the alternative?  Catholics are causing the avoidable?
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(08-06-2012, 04:22 AM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: It would be better if the U.S. were officially protestant with tolerance for Catholics (as this is an error in fact), than the current situation today, wherein religious liberty is a fundamental principle (error in principle).

This.

At least Protestantism is still theism.  In fact, the Protestants still worship Jesus Christ and give Him due praise for being Our God and Our Savior.  The current setup in America is secularism and Enlightenment philosophy.  God is either irrelevant, faceless, and utterly transcendent or He doesn't exist at all.

Christ is the center of all good things.  The American government makes absolutely no mention of Christ. 
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Quote:This heresy which was condemned by Pope Leo XIII is the denial of the influence of the Church's social doctrine in the civil domain. It's ultimate consequence is the denial of the rights of God and the supernatural order.

This seems pretty apparent to me in our blind acceptance of US foreign policy. It doesn't seem to me that anyone has been considering the rights of God in ordering various military interventions over the past 50 years.
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It's also obvious to me in the notion that commerce should not be morally regulated, or as they say greed is good. It's apparent in the federal government wanting to supplant the Church and it's mission to the poor and needy like Julian the Apostate. On the flip side the Deists and the Prots were opposed to Krazy King George, and all but one had a book written about this KK George and his Divine Right, which if I remember correctly was called Cathedra. In the book it was argued that KK George and Divine Right was phooey, and it was supported by the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Roberto Bellarmine, and Fr. Suaez. My point is there is some good in the Republic's founding documents, and they all shouldn't be tossed. What they need is more of the same.

tim 
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(08-06-2012, 06:36 AM)James02 Wrote:
Quote: Its only delaying the inevitable and dragging plenty of Catholics down with it.
  nihilism.  Interesting.  Did you ever consider the alternative?  Catholics are causing the avoidable?

Nihilism?  I'm not a nihilist.  And no, that's EXACTLY what I'm saying.  Catholics are causing their own problems.  I'm a firm believer in the idea that when something bad happens to someone, in some way they did something to cause it. 
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(08-06-2012, 11:54 AM)Walty Wrote:
(08-06-2012, 04:22 AM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: It would be better if the U.S. were officially protestant with tolerance for Catholics (as this is an error in fact), than the current situation today, wherein religious liberty is a fundamental principle (error in principle).

This.

At least Protestantism is still theism.  In fact, the Protestants still worship Jesus Christ and give Him due praise for being Our God and Our Savior.  The current setup in America is secularism and Enlightenment philosophy.  God is either irrelevant, faceless, and utterly transcendent or He doesn't exist at all.

Christ is the center of all good things.  The American government makes absolutely no mention of Christ. 

Too many people ignore this because of the inconvenience or embarassment to mention the social reign.
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(08-06-2012, 01:12 PM)Tim Wrote: It's also obvious to me in the notion that commerce should not be morally regulated, or as they say greed is good. It's apparent in the federal government wanting to supplant the Church and it's mission to the poor and needy like Julian the Apostate. On the flip side the Deists and the Prots were opposed to Krazy King George, and all but one had a book written about this KK George and his Divine Right, which if I remember correctly was called Cathedra. In the book it was argued that KK George and Divine Right was phooey, and it was supported by the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Roberto Bellarmine, and Fr. Suaez. My point is there is some good in the Republic's founding documents, and they all shouldn't be tossed. What they need is more of the same.

tim 

Yes, the Divine Right of Kings is a Protestant ideology (not a Catholic social doctrine) that arose from their rejection of the papacy.  When you kick out Catholicism (which includes ultramontanism) all you have is whatever Protestant monarch you live under as a fellow Protestant.

The quoted Saints point out that a monarch has a duty to his people, and that abuse of his power and authority will lead to divine providence's retribution, which at times manifests itself as rebellion.  Though, those saints also pointed out the monarch is still the monarch, with his power and authority only present because of God giving them these things because of the good they will do with them or permitting them to have these things, though evil is done through them for a greater good later.

If the republics got anything right, they did so in aspects the Church ALREADY got right much earlier on. I don't know why "King" George was cited in this thread, though I am a Jacobite as far as the British throne goes.
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