The heresy of Americanism!
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(08-09-2012, 03:18 AM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Why did the founders cite George III's allowing of the Quebecois to practice the true Faith as something that needed to be redressed? Why did the bishop of Quebec threaten to excommunicate any priest that sided with the revolutionaries?

The Declaration of Independence, for all its symbolic and historical value, is not a legal document. It has no legal authority and is not part of the the "supreme law of the land."

In fact, the U.S. Constitution's ideas are hardly similar to those expressed in the Declaration of Independence, at least on two important points.

1) According to the Declaration of Independence, "all men are created equal."

This sentiment is found nowhere in the original 1787 Constitution, which only uses the term "equal" when referencing how the senate is to be divided ("as equally as may be into three Classes"), when the Vice President may vote in the Senate ("[not] unless they be equally divided"), the number of presidential electors each state gets ("equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives"), contingency plans for ties in presidential elections ("if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes . . . if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes"), and a provision that may not be amended until 1808 ("that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate").

The only place in the entire Constitution that even approaches the sentiment of Jefferson's "all men are created equal" slogan is the Equal Protection Clause of Fourteenth Amendment, which wasn't even ratified until 1868 as part of Reconstruction.

There is no support in the U.S. Constitution--at least as originally ratified--for Jeffersonian egalitarianism.

2) According to the Declaration of Independence the rights to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" are "unalienable."

The federal Constitution has exactly the opposite view. According to the Fifth Amendment, the United States may deprive a person of life, of liberty, and of property, provided that due process of law is observed. A right that can be taken away so long as the proper procedure is followed is hardly an unalienable one.


Although the Bishop of Quebec probably felt threatened that a revolutionary government would deprive the Catholic Quebecois of their freedom to practice the faith, this ended up being an unfounded fear.

Meanwhile, down in Baltimore, the first Catholic bishop in the United States came from a family that vigorously supported the Patriot cause. He, of course, rejoiced in the liberty granted to the Church by our new Constitution and even composed a lovely prayer for our country that I'd urge any Catholic from the U.S. to make use of.

(08-09-2012, 03:18 AM)Crusader_Philly Wrote: Read what the founders thought about our Faith, then read the Syllabus. The Constitution is full of errors.

In evaluating what the Constitution means, it is the text more than the legislative intent that is important. (Of course, the most radically unorthodox Founding Father, Jefferson, was in France during the Philadelphia Convention and actually opposed the Constitution's ratification. Hamilton, one of the most staunchly Christian of the founders, was both the first delegate of New York at the Convention and was a chief proponent the Constitution's ratification.) There is nothing in the text of the Constitution--as an educated American would have interpreted it in the 1780s--that contradicts our faith.

I have read the Syllabus. I agree that the statements it condemned are indeed erroneous. I hold that a Catholic confessional state is the ideal form of government. I don't support the Constitution as the ideal, I support it as a practical system of government for the American people, who deviate perhaps more than most from the ideal.
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The heresy of Americanism! - by LoneWolfRadTrad - 07-28-2011, 11:31 PM
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