The heresy of Americanism!
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(08-09-2012, 04:10 AM)Walty Wrote:
(08-09-2012, 03:58 AM)Resurrexi Wrote: There is nothing in the text of the Constitution--as an educated American would have interpreted it in the 1780s--that contradicts our faith.

Really?


42. In the case of conflicting laws enacted by the two powers [Church and State], the civil law prevails.

55. The Church ought to be separated from the .State, and the State from the Church.

77. In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

The above are just some of the condemned philosophies which can be found in the American Constitution.

Walty, you can't make the Syllabus into a super-dogma.  It was never intended to be so (read the Catholic encyclopedia's article on it). You have to go to the allocutions, etc. cited.  The Syllabus leaves each proposition at the same theological level it was in the original allocution.  For example, I'll let Cardinal Newman explain #77 (the CE articles gives other examples) (the emphasis is Newman's):

Newman Wrote:1. For instance, take his own 16th (the 77th of the "erroneous Propositions"), that, "It is no longer expedient that the Catholic Religion should be established to the exclusion of all others." When we turn to the Allocution, which is the ground of its being put into the Syllabus, what do we find there? First, that the Pope was speaking, not of States universally, but of one particular State, Spain, definitely Spain; secondly, that he was not noting the erroneous proposition directly, or categorically, but was protesting against the breach in many ways of the Concordat on the part of the Spanish government; further, that he was not referring to any work containing the said proposition, nor contemplating any proposition at all; nor, on the other hand, using any word of condemnation whatever, nor using any harsher terms of the Government in question than an expression of "his wonder and distress." And again, taking the Pope's remonstrance as it stands, is it any great cause of complaint to Englishmen, who so lately were severe in their legislation upon Unitarians, Catholics, unbelievers, and others, that the Pope merely does not think it expedient for every state from this time forth to tolerate every sort of religion on its territory, and to disestablish the Church at once? for this is all that he denies. As in the instance in the foregoing section, he does but deny a universal, which the "erroneous proposition" asserts without any explanation. {286}
http://www.newmanreader.org/works/anglic...tion7.html

#42 comes from an allocution dealing with an assertion that ultimately the state has supreme authority in ecclesiastical affairs (see also #41)--the Pope here is merely also denying a universal (see the link above, it is labeled the "10th error", since it was number 10 in Gladstones list of objections). Newman doesn't discuss #55, but this also deals with the erroneous idea that all ties and formal agreements and protections should always be completely done away with.

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The heresy of Americanism! - by LoneWolfRadTrad - 07-28-2011, 11:31 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 02:37 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Joshua - 07-29-2011, 03:09 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Joshua - 07-29-2011, 03:22 AM
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Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:11 PM
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Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:33 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:49 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by SCG - 07-29-2011, 12:51 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jovan66102 - 07-29-2011, 08:36 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-06-2012, 06:36 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-06-2012, 01:12 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-06-2012, 05:01 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-06-2012, 06:22 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-06-2012, 10:59 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by vtcatholic - 08-09-2012, 12:31 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 12:42 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-09-2012, 03:16 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jovan66102 - 08-09-2012, 03:51 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-09-2012, 03:58 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-09-2012, 04:10 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jake-the-rake - 08-09-2012, 05:44 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 06:56 AM
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Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by SaintSebastian - 08-09-2012, 07:47 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jake-the-rake - 08-09-2012, 09:30 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-09-2012, 10:00 AM
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Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 09:14 PM
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Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-13-2012, 11:08 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-13-2012, 01:10 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-13-2012, 01:35 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-14-2012, 12:30 PM
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