The heresy of Americanism!
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(08-09-2012, 01:23 PM)Walty Wrote: Walty, you can't make the Syllabus into a super-dogma. 

Oh, I've heard this argument before.

At any rate, I don't think I'm turning it into a super-dogma as much as I'm just not ignoring it.  I wonder how, if you reject the universal truth and application of these condemnations, you accept it at all.  And yet I'm the one who isn't approaching the authority of the documents correctly?
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Just as an FYI, the Syllabus contains the teachings of St. Thomas, and even St. Augustine and St. John Chrysostom on religious liberty. No manual or orthodox theologian challenged this teaching before the Council. Pope Pius XII affirmed it in Ci Riesce, and so did Cardinal Ottaviani in his On the Relations between the Church and the State, and On Religious Tolerance.

All of this changed in the document Dignitatis Humanae, which Cardinal Bea supported, and John Courtney Murray wrote. However, now we have to start saying black is white, and have to follow the twisting and churning of Fr. Y. and Professor X. who somehow "save" the document, yet, none of the world's bishops nor the popes interpret the document in the way they do.
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The heresy of Americanism! - by LoneWolfRadTrad - 07-28-2011, 11:31 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 02:37 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Joshua - 07-29-2011, 03:09 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Joshua - 07-29-2011, 03:22 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Baskerville - 07-29-2011, 03:38 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:11 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:33 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Servire Deo - 07-29-2011, 12:49 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by SCG - 07-29-2011, 12:51 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jovan66102 - 07-29-2011, 08:36 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-06-2012, 06:36 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-06-2012, 12:54 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-06-2012, 01:12 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-06-2012, 05:01 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-06-2012, 06:22 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-06-2012, 10:59 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by vtcatholic - 08-09-2012, 12:31 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 12:42 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-09-2012, 03:16 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jovan66102 - 08-09-2012, 03:51 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-09-2012, 03:58 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-09-2012, 04:10 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jake-the-rake - 08-09-2012, 05:44 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 06:56 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 07:09 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jake-the-rake - 08-09-2012, 09:30 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-09-2012, 10:00 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Walty - 08-09-2012, 01:23 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Crusader_Philly - 08-09-2012, 01:42 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-09-2012, 06:14 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 09:14 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-09-2012, 09:27 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-13-2012, 11:08 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by James02 - 08-13-2012, 01:10 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Tim - 08-13-2012, 01:35 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by rbjmartin - 08-14-2012, 12:30 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jovan66102 - 08-14-2012, 04:42 PM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by SouthpawLink - 08-15-2012, 12:27 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by SouthpawLink - 08-15-2012, 01:07 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by SouthpawLink - 08-15-2012, 01:30 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by Resurrexi - 08-15-2012, 02:45 AM
Re: The heresy of Americanism! - by jake-the-rake - 08-15-2012, 03:22 AM
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