Taking a job in an anti-Catholic country
#31
(07-31-2011, 01:31 AM)Servire Deo Wrote: I'd be interested in secret Masses only if they are valid.

For a 19 year old you really are pretty picky. Frankly I would support any faithful philipino who was happy to risk a secret mass, even a new mass. I doubt they have folk guitars and bingo drums since those walls in Saudi hotel rooms are pretty thin. I've changed my mind. In your case I would advise you to go to Saudi. What you would lose in sacramental graces you would make up for from the experience of realising how lucky you were to be an American.
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#32
I guess the good news is that Saudi Arabia will no longer accept Filipinos as workers. Or even Indonesians. They're tired of the complaints from the gov't of the Philippines and that of Indonesia. The Indonesians are mostly Muslim so if they can't get a fair shake, I'm sure no one can.

C.
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#33
If you're making six thousand dollars a month, tax free, I'm guessing you could probably get together with similarly minded Catholics on the military/corporate base and have private Mass said in the TLM.

Pay the police off, with "gifts" and you're part of the way there.

It doesn't hurt to be friendly, either.
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#34
"AsiaNews sources said there were around 400,000 Indian Catholics in Saudi Arabia who were denied pastoral care. Catholic foreigners in the country number at least one million: none of them can participate in mass while they are in Saudi Arabia. Catechism for their children – nearly 100,000 – is banned.

Often, for feasts like Easter and Christmas, Catholics plan holidays in the Emirates, Bahrain or Abu Dhabi, where at least for once, they are free to attend mass." http://web.archive.org/web/20080617090608/http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=5869

Sounds as if there is nowhere whatsoever to hear Mass.

C.
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(07-31-2011, 09:26 AM)Cetil Wrote: "AsiaNews sources said there were around 400,000 Indian Catholics in Saudi Arabia who were denied pastoral care. Catholic foreigners in the country number at least one million: none of them can participate in mass while they are in Saudi Arabia. Catechism for their children – nearly 100,000 – is banned.

Often, for feasts like Easter and Christmas, Catholics plan holidays in the Emirates, Bahrain or Abu Dhabi, where at least for once, they are free to attend mass." http://web.archive.org/web/20080617090608/http://www.asianews.it/view.php?l=en&art=5869

Sounds as if there is nowhere whatsoever to hear Mass.

C.

You didn't hear this from me, but I understand that there are accommodations.  The Saudis aren't stupid, they know when to look the other way... and it doesn't hurt to have something they need, either, like reliable labor.
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#36
I see no evidence of accomodation on the part of the Saudis. According to this report not even the US embassy is allowed a Mass. Even our troops during the Gulf war were not allowed to wear crucifixes.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/article...h0002.html
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(07-31-2011, 09:40 AM)Cetil Wrote: I see no evidence of accomodation on the part of the Saudis. According to this report not even the US embassy is allowed a Mass. Even our troops during the Gulf war were not allowed to wear crucifixes.

http://www.catholiceducation.org/article...h0002.html

I don't either, but I've heard reports that there are plenty of underground liturgies that the government turns a blind eye to.  I mean, I know human nature, but I don't know the actual situation and have only heard stories.

It's news to me that they don't allow crucifixes in the Embassy.  Seems strange in this sense that when the Islamists were in power in the ME for centuries, that Christians did a lot better there than they are doing now. Now they're fleeing in droves.

Also, this was a while back, but my room mate from prep school's father pointed out that you could readily get Johnny Walker whiskey on the black market and that many of the wealthier Arabs were pretty relaxed about Islam when it came to luxury items.
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#38
(07-30-2011, 11:51 PM)Augstine Baker Wrote:
(07-30-2011, 11:12 PM)Servire Deo Wrote: Is it acceptable to take a full time job (for years at a time) in a country where there is no TLM and where Rosaries are banned?

What country is this, I'd like to know.
saudi arabia comes to mind
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#39
Take the job.  In the American enclaves you'll be able to get a Mass (TLM doubtful).  Have somebody mail you a rosary later if you think it'll be confiscated on arrival.  

And after you pile up all that tax-free cash, you can come back to the States and use it to help your parish start a TLM (someone has to buy those vestments and books!).

Also, I wonder - what kind of a perspective will being in such a faith-hostile environment give you?  More appreciation, I'd bet (not implying you are not appreciative now).
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(07-31-2011, 10:26 AM)DesperatelySeeking Wrote: Take the job.  In the American enclaves you'll be able to get a Mass (TLM doubtful).  Have somebody mail you a rosary later if you think it'll be confiscated on arrival.  

And after you pile up all that tax-free cash, you can come back to the States and use it to help your parish start a TLM (someone has to buy those vestments and books!).

Also, I wonder - what kind of a perspective will being in such a faith-hostile environment give you?  More appreciation, I'd bet (not implying you are not appreciative now).

Dis.
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