Do you know: St Jose Maria Escriva?
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The canon of the Bible was assembled long after revelation closed.  Are we to assume that the Bible doesn't necessarily contain all the books it should (or that there are too many....ahem, protestants)?
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(01-07-2012, 08:11 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-07-2012, 08:09 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote:
(01-07-2012, 07:57 PM)Spencer Wrote: You are missing the point, or avoiding it. Probably the later.

I'm sorry, is this directed at me? 

It's at Tapatio, I think.

I was simply stating that you were getting off topic.
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(08-05-2011, 01:23 PM)mariafransisca11 Wrote: You can see his videos here (See him talking)
http://www.youtube.com/user/josemariaesc...PP1nGJI3Fc
http://www.youtube.com/user/opusdeiengli...DupQvPd8Mc

You can find St. Jose Maria Escriva's writings here
http://www.escrivaworks.org/

You can download the website using win Website Downloader
http://download.cnet.com/WinWSD-WebSite-...62531.html

For Offline Reading

St. Jose Maria Escriva is the founder of Opus Dei
http://www.opusdei.org/

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Here is an interesting quote from one of the sources you provided:

(Quotation can be found at the website of Opus Dei: www.escrivaworks.org).

Msgr. Josemaria Escriva, Conversations, number 85: “The last occasion was here in Pamplona.  A student came up to me.  He wanted to greet me, ‘Monsignor, I’m not a Christian’, he said, ‘I’m a Mohammedan.’  ‘You are a son of God, as I am,’ I answered him.   And I embraced him with all my heart.”


Here is a direct link to find it easier: http://www.escrivaworks.org/book/convers...pter-6.htm
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(01-07-2012, 09:24 PM)Spencer Wrote: Here is an interesting quote from one of the sources you provided:

(Quotation can be found at the website of Opus Dei: www.escrivaworks.org).

Msgr. Josemaria Escriva, Conversations, number 85: “The last occasion was here in Pamplona.  A student came up to me.  He wanted to greet me, ‘Monsignor, I’m not a Christian’, he said, ‘I’m a Mohammedan.’  ‘You are a son of God, as I am,’ I answered him.   And I embraced him with all my heart.”


Here is a direct link to find it easier: http://www.escrivaworks.org/book/convers...pter-6.htm

I see nothing wrong with this. God created all man, including Mohammedans. Therefore, God is the Father of all mankind including Mohammedans. Therefore, all mankind are the Sons of God, even if they don't recognize it.

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(01-07-2012, 09:30 PM)Petertherock Wrote:
(01-07-2012, 09:24 PM)Spencer Wrote: Here is an interesting quote from one of the sources you provided:

(Quotation can be found at the website of Opus Dei: www.escrivaworks.org).

Msgr. Josemaria Escriva, Conversations, number 85: “The last occasion was here in Pamplona.  A student came up to me.  He wanted to greet me, ‘Monsignor, I’m not a Christian’, he said, ‘I’m a Mohammedan.’  ‘You are a son of God, as I am,’ I answered him.   And I embraced him with all my heart.”


Here is a direct link to find it easier: http://www.escrivaworks.org/book/convers...pter-6.htm

I see nothing wrong with this. God created all man, including Mohammedans. Therefore, God is the Father of all mankind including Mohammedans. Therefore, all mankind are the Sons of God, even if they don't recognize it.

That is not correct.

Properly speaking, one becomes a son of God only through baptism. Christians alone have the privilege of having God as a father.
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(01-07-2012, 09:30 PM)Petertherock Wrote:
(01-07-2012, 09:24 PM)Spencer Wrote: Here is an interesting quote from one of the sources you provided:

(Quotation can be found at the website of Opus Dei: www.escrivaworks.org).

Msgr. Josemaria Escriva, Conversations, number 85: “The last occasion was here in Pamplona.  A student came up to me.  He wanted to greet me, ‘Monsignor, I’m not a Christian’, he said, ‘I’m a Mohammedan.’  ‘You are a son of God, as I am,’ I answered him.   And I embraced him with all my heart.”


Here is a direct link to find it easier: http://www.escrivaworks.org/book/convers...pter-6.htm

I see nothing wrong with this. God created all man, including Mohammedans. Therefore, God is the Father of all mankind including Mohammedans. Therefore, all mankind are the Sons of God, even if they don't recognize it.

He gave a lost soul the impression that he was just fine remaining in the darkness of heresy. This was gravely wrong.
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(01-07-2012, 05:14 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: Revelation closed with St. John the Evangelist. That is, the revelation concerning the divine truths of faith necessary for salvation. The Church henceforth was only allowed to expand on them, not to add or contradict them.

Nevertheless, the ability to know whether saint "A" or "B" is really a saint, and thus in heaven interceding for us before God, is a necessary condition for the belief in the communion of saints as practiced by the Church to even make sense. Imagine for a second that St. John, St. Augustine, St. Thomas or St. Pius X (or whatever patron saint you are devoted to or whose cult is widely renowned) are all in hell after all. It's a preposterous belief that would justly shatter the Church's credibility into pieces. Either there can be infallible certainty when declaring someone a saint or the Church should simply stop making those declarations and reform the whole thing bottom up.

1) So you are stating that the Canonization of a Saint is a Divine Revelation given to the Church at whatever period of time the canonization occurs?  Let's just be accurate about what you are talking about. Public Divine Revelation has not closed in your opinion.

2) Whether or not someone is in Heaven, Hell or Purgatory is not known.  We often pray for the souls in Purgatory or pray to our own relatives who have died, for intercession.  You think no one who is in Hell hasn't been mistaken for being in Heaven?  If some famous saint is in Hell, I don't have a problem with it for the simple reason that it's the result of God's perfect judgment and also no one will know this until after their own judgment. 

Also, you are also relying on the circular reason, that canonizations must be infallible because if they aren't, it would be embarassing for the Church. 



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(01-07-2012, 08:41 PM)Titus Alba Wrote: The canon of the Bible was assembled long after revelation closed.  Are we to assume that the Bible doesn't necessarily contain all the books it should (or that there are too many....ahem, protestants)?

The revelation that the Bible contains was already revealed before the writing of it.  The Church just compiled the books and declared that those books were in line with Revelation.  The Bible alone isn't the rule of our faith and it isn't even sufficient to stand on its own because it refers in places to events that are not described in it precisely. (eg. St. Jude's letter referencing St. Michael and the Devil contesting for the body of Moses--something in the book of Enoch but Enoch was not consistent with the deposit of faith in all places.  The epistles of Clement were at one time considered inspired and read at Mass but they contained nothing that was not already contained in the older scriptures. )

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#59
So while the books of the bible are the Word of God, there was no special guidance from the Holy Ghost in determining which ones belonged to the canon?  Sounds strange.
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(01-07-2012, 09:39 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(01-07-2012, 09:30 PM)Petertherock Wrote:
(01-07-2012, 09:24 PM)Spencer Wrote: Here is an interesting quote from one of the sources you provided:

(Quotation can be found at the website of Opus Dei: www.escrivaworks.org).

Msgr. Josemaria Escriva, Conversations, number 85: “The last occasion was here in Pamplona.  A student came up to me.  He wanted to greet me, ‘Monsignor, I’m not a Christian’, he said, ‘I’m a Mohammedan.’  ‘You are a son of God, as I am,’ I answered him.   And I embraced him with all my heart.”

I see nothing wrong with this. God created all man, including Mohammedans. Therefore, God is the Father of all mankind including Mohammedans. Therefore, all mankind are the Sons of God, even if they don't recognize it.

That is not correct.

Properly speaking, one becomes a son of God only through baptism. Christians alone have the privilege of having God as a father.
How judgmental!
Just because this has been taught through time immemorial, does not mean that we can't bend the rules for some religions. No?
You leave no room for doubts or wiggle room.
You must be a real Catholic..yikes!
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