New Sungenis vs Dimond debate
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Excuse me, but Catholics are OBLIGATED to hold to the majority position of the Church's theologians. THAT is Church teaching, taugh by POpe Pius IX in Quanta Cura.

NO, I do not WANT JPII to be in hell. I just don't see how he could have avoided it. I hope isn't though.

But if he IS, obviously it is JUST, because it is God's Decision.

Thesis: The unanimous teaching of theologians in matters
of faith and morals establishes certitude for the proof of a
dogma.

A. First Proof: The connection of theologians with the Church.
1. As  men who study theological science, theologians have
only a scientific and historical authority. But as servants, organs, and
witness of the Church, they possess an authority that is both dogmatic and certain.
2. Church doctrine on matters of faith and morals possesses
an authority that is dogmatic and certain. (a) The unanimous teaching of theologians  testifies and expresses  the doctrine of the Church,
because the Church accepts the common teaching of theologians as
true and as her own when she either tacitly or expressly approves
it. (b) Theologians as ministers and organs of the Church instruct the — 6 —
faithful in the doctrines of the faith. So, in fact those things
preached, taught, held and believed are those same things the theologians propose and teach.
3. And so, because of the theologians’ connection with the
Church, their agreement on a doctrine has an authority that is both
dogmatic and certain, because otherwise the authority of the
Church herself would be endangered, because she admitted, fostered or approved the [false] doctrine of theologians.
4. This proof is confirmed because the dogmatic authority of
theologians is denied by all those and only those who: (a) Deny or
refuse to admit the dogmatic authority of the Church; or (b) At least
refuse to consider the connection of theologians with the Church. It
is no wonder that all enemies of the Church or Catholic truth are
likewise enemies of Catholic theology.
B. Second Proof: False principles behind opposing arguments.
• Opponents deny the dogmatic authority of theologians by:
(1) Breaking the link between the Church and theologians, or by at
least denying or diminishing the dogmatic authority of the Church
herself. (2) Directly opposing Catholic doctrine which theologians
propose and defend. (3) Attempting to introduce erroneous philosophy or other false concepts incompatible with the teaching of
the faith.
C. Third Proof: The Effects
• The teaching of the theologians, especially the scholastics,
best explains and defends the doctrine of the faith, nourishes and
begets faith, and helps and perfects the Christian life. On the contrary, whenever and insofar as the doctrine of the theologians is
abandoned, especially that of the scholastic theologians, theological
errors, indeed heresies, rise up,  and the Christian life falls. All ecclesiastical history bears witness to this, from the Middle Ages to
our own time. On one hand, the magnificent explanation and elucidation of Christian doctrine by the scholastic theologians, approved and acclaimed by the Church — whose job it is to judge the
truth of theological doctrine — and faith and exemplary Christian
life. On the other hand, heresies, theological errors, declining Christian life — all is proved by the history of the Protestants, Baianists,
Jansenists, Modernists, and other opponents of recent theological
schools.
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New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by faith3faith - 08-11-2011, 07:54 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Joshua - 08-12-2011, 05:01 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Sigfrid - 08-14-2011, 05:44 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Sigfrid - 08-14-2011, 05:57 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-14-2011, 06:14 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-14-2011, 06:15 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-14-2011, 06:37 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-18-2011, 01:47 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by timoose - 08-18-2011, 09:22 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-19-2011, 10:36 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-19-2011, 02:51 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-19-2011, 08:11 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Windmill - 08-20-2011, 03:23 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-20-2011, 05:48 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by nmoerbeek - 08-22-2011, 12:18 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-22-2011, 01:23 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by nmoerbeek - 08-22-2011, 10:37 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-22-2011, 08:03 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-25-2011, 08:09 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 08-25-2011, 08:12 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-25-2011, 08:31 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 08-29-2011, 01:13 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 09-01-2011, 07:11 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 09-04-2011, 02:59 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by INPEFESS - 09-04-2011, 03:13 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 09-04-2011, 01:46 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by INPEFESS - 09-05-2011, 03:40 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by INPEFESS - 09-05-2011, 04:04 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 09-05-2011, 05:21 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by INPEFESS - 09-05-2011, 10:42 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 09-06-2011, 12:46 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 09-06-2011, 01:11 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 09-06-2011, 04:19 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 09-07-2011, 04:27 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by INPEFESS - 09-07-2011, 06:24 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by thomas7 - 09-07-2011, 02:44 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by Gregory I - 09-07-2011, 08:42 PM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by ggreg - 09-08-2011, 08:25 AM
Re: New Sungenis vs Dimond debate - by INPEFESS - 09-08-2011, 08:33 AM



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