6th commandment
#21
Ok continue....................let him get as hard as he wants for all i care  :laughing: :laughing:
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#22
(08-12-2011, 07:25 PM)salus Wrote: Ok continue....................let him get as hard as he wants for all i care   :laughing: :laughing:
Hey Im on record as suspecting a troll.....but the topic is a good one to consider.
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#23
Oh, I'm sorry.  I forgot about that whole thing where being a traditional Catholic means being suspect of those who ask help until they jump through all the hoops provided to prove they're serious.  My mistake.  We really do need to get away from this whole idea of assuming the best of a person's character and applying Christian charity to those in need.  It's sickeningly modern.
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#24
From FSSP priests:

http://www.audiosancto.org/categories/purity.php

Sermons on Purity and the Sixth and Ninth Commandments:

•Review of Sins Against the Sixth and Ninth Commandments
•Springtime Review
•Women and Children First: Holy Purity
•Sounding the Trumpet Against Pornography
•Sins of Lust: The Consequences against Purity
•Priests by Name Only and Not By Deed•Maintaining Purity: By Virtue of by Force
•Modesty: The Virtue that Guards Purity
•Modesty of the Eyes
•Holy Matrimony and NFP
•Sins of the Flesh
•Kissing a Vocation Goodbye
•On Dating
•Occasions of Sin and Company Keeping
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#25
No intention, no consent= no sin.
No intention, some or faint consent= venial sin.
No intention, full consent= mortal sin.
direct intention= mortal sin.

In that hypothetical situaton, there was mortal sin.
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(08-12-2011, 10:38 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: No intention, no consent= no sin.
No intention, some or faint consent= venial sin.
No intention, full consent= mortal sin.
direct intention= mortal sin.

In that hypothetical situaton, there was mortal sin.

Just to be sure, grave matter is another prerequisite to a mortal sin.  While this is probably grave matter for reasons that I stated above where I don't see how this situation could by guided by anything other than lust.  But to be clear, as the OP obviously has questions we should make ourselves clear.

Also, how can there be no intention and full consent?  Maybe I'm missing something but if you're consenting to lust... isn't that your intention? 
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#27
(08-12-2011, 10:44 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote:
(08-12-2011, 10:38 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: No intention, no consent= no sin.
No intention, some or faint consent= venial sin.
No intention, full consent= mortal sin.
direct intention= mortal sin.

In that hypothetical situaton, there was mortal sin.

Just to be sure, grave matter is another prerequisite to a mortal sin.  While this is probably grave matter for reasons that I stated above where I don't see how this situation could by guided by anything other than lust.  But to be clear, as the OP obviously has questions we should make ourselves clear.

Also, how can there be no intention and full consent?  Maybe I'm missing something but if you're consenting to lust... isn't that your intention? 


consenting to the enjoyment of the erection.
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#28
(08-12-2011, 10:51 PM)a83192 Wrote:
(08-12-2011, 10:44 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote:
(08-12-2011, 10:38 PM)SaintRafael Wrote: No intention, no consent= no sin.
No intention, some or faint consent= venial sin.
No intention, full consent= mortal sin.
direct intention= mortal sin.

In that hypothetical situaton, there was mortal sin.

Just to be sure, grave matter is another prerequisite to a mortal sin.  While this is probably grave matter for reasons that I stated above where I don't see how this situation could by guided by anything other than lust.  But to be clear, as the OP obviously has questions we should make ourselves clear.

Also, how can there be no intention and full consent?  Maybe I'm missing something but if you're consenting to lust... isn't that your intention? 


consenting to the enjoyment of the erection.

K, that is a sexual sin.  Likely mortal.  Ask a priest.  But that wasn't what I was asking rafael, I was asking how you could have that consent without intention.
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#29
(08-12-2011, 10:44 PM)Mithrandylan Wrote: Also, how can there be no intention and full consent?  Maybe I'm missing something but if you're consenting to lust... isn't that your intention? 

Let's say you are driving down a street and a billboard with a pretty girl catches your eye and you have an impure thought. There was no intention of seeking out a billboard. You did not intend to drive around looking for a billboard. You were just driving down a street. That is what is meant by no intention.  A pretty girl walks by. A sexy picture appears in a newspaper. With all these scenarios, there is no intention. Your intention was to walk down a street or read a newspaper. Mortal sin comes in, when you give into a temptation with full consent. There is no intention, but you give  full consent to sin when presented with an occasion.

Direct intention in contrast, means you sought out and intended to do an act. You went and bought a pornographic magazine. You visited a pornographic website.

These are the differences between no intention, direct intention.
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#30
this thread makes me lol
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