Headcoverings
#41
(08-23-2011, 03:17 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote:
(08-23-2011, 06:35 AM)Jacafamala Wrote:
(08-23-2011, 01:16 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-21-2011, 07:27 PM)Jacafamala Wrote:
(08-20-2011, 02:33 AM)ggreg Wrote:
(08-19-2011, 02:54 PM)aDREfromMI Wrote: Oh dear. I'm afraid I wouldn't have a clue how to sew, much less where to buy the lace!

There is this tool called the Internet.  You can search for "lace suppliers" and "how to use a sewing machine"

If illiterate women in the third world can use a sewing machine how hard can it be?  It is just a square of cloth for goodness sake.  You cut it with a razor blade and a wooden stencil and hem the sides.  That's about it I would guess.

Show a little backbone.  If you sew them yourself your budget will go 5-10 times as far.  More women get their heads covered which is your objective is it not.

Go for it, buddy. Make my day. Sew one and post it on the internet. Big shot.

I am not your buddy. I will gladly sew one and send it to the forum owner. If she says it is nice then you must apologize for your comment above and admit they are easy to make. Deal?

You seem touchy. I was poking fun, or trying to. I should've known better than to do that with you. You tend to be a pretty morose character.

So, I'll just say I'm sorry in advance. There. Feel better?

Why do I get the ickies almost every time I'm at this forum lately?

Dear Jacamafala: you are poster I respect greatly.  I would ask you to re-read what you wrote: "Go for it, buddy. Make my day. Sew one and post it on the internet. Big shot. ."

Then reconsider: ggreg's response wasn't so out of line.  It seemed to me like you wanted to challenge him and basically said he was a liar, he couldn't sew and so it was silly of him to suggest that to someone else.

This thread shouldn't be about a sewing challenge anyway.  Though I did responde to Jayne that I have some sewing experience, it's beside the point.  I think the merits of the logic of the argumetn are sufficient.

The argument goes like this:

People all around the world, for centuries, have done sewing at home, without special talent or training.  Buying raw materials and sewing is much cheaper than finished products.  The OP wants more mantillas for less money for a good reason.  We assume she is capable of sewing.  Conclusion: she should consider sewing :-).

Eh, maybe he just hit a nerve. I am sorry.
"Not only are we all in the same boat, but we are all seasick.” --G.K. Chesterton
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#42

If the OP had written "I am a priest looking for a source for inexpensive veils to have on hand for women who come to my Masses," would you guys still have said "Sew them yourself "?  I don't think so. 

But, since you've said that anyone can learn to sew, go to it, each of you make a dozen mantillas and send them to the OP gratis.

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#43
(08-22-2011, 09:19 PM)DesperatelySeeking Wrote:
(08-22-2011, 09:14 PM)Revixit Wrote:
(08-22-2011, 08:45 PM)DesperatelySeeking Wrote: Holy moley, just buy a headscarf.  Mrs DS uses a flowered scarf she got in Afghanistan for like three cents.

Headscarf… 3¢

Trip to Afghanistan and back… $3,000

;D

Courtesy of Uncle Sam...gratis.  And a boatload of tax free combat pay to boot.


But Uncle Sam is not going to send the OP to Afghanistan to buy scarves on the cheap.  The OP is employed as a DRE and can't take two years off to join the military (if you can even do a two year hitch these days.)  So the trip would cost at least $3,000.  And are tourists even allowed into Afghanistan?

The OP needs a different solution.  I think scarves are a good suggestion, flowered or otherwise, and the OP should check around, see if a local store has inexpensive scarves.



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#44
This site  http://www.yarmulkes.com/system/scripts/...category=4 has chapel caps ridiculously cheap. No mantillas, but the circular toppers. You can buy them in bulk for less than a buck each..

And here is a headcovering directory you might want to peruse: http://www.headcovering.info/stores.html
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#45
(08-23-2011, 10:26 PM)Revixit Wrote: If the OP had written "I am a priest looking for a source for inexpensive veils to have on hand for women who come to my Masses," would you guys still have said "Sew them yourself "?  I don't think so. 

But, since you've said that anyone can learn to sew, go to it, each of you make a dozen mantillas and send them to the OP gratis.

Frankly, I assume a priest is too busy.  But I have said a few times that a man can sew a mantilla just fine too.  If you really have a need to insinuate that a hatred of women is behind what I write, insinuate away, but it doesn't make it true.

If the OP is also too busy, fine.  I've said multiple times on this thread that there are good reasons not to sew them as well -- they are just not as economical.  So there's benefits and drawbacks to each approach.  What I really object to is the attitude that there's something wrong with suggesting sewing.  It's relatively easy, but people don't think to try it themselves, and so it's a good suggestion.

As to your final "challenge" -- no thank you.  I prefer to use simple reason and logic to make a point.  I know from personal experience it's easy to make your own baby food instead of buying it and it's much cheaper, but I don't need to actually make it and send it to you for that to be true.  I also know that it's easy and fun to have an herb or vegetable garden, but I don't need to send anyone veggies to make that point.  And so on.

Your "challenge" is obviously not a serious attempt to help the OP but is just a transparent way to put down my suggestion.  My suggestion to consider sewing, however, is still one I stand by.  It was not said to put down women or to make you feel insecure or blah blah blah blah blah.  It's a normal thing to consider if you want to save money.

What kind of batshit crazy world do we live in anyway, in which such a suggestion is considered so problematic?

And why does everyone ignore the other points ggreg and I have made: that this applies not just to sewing but to other things: doing your own basic carpentry, for example.
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#46
I don't see a thing in the world wrong with yours or ggreg's suggestions. I would encourage the OP to do this if she (or he) can...it would be easy enough to learn, but if the OP doesn't own a sewing machine, that's another whole story (though you could get a really cheap one that can basically do a hem) and perhaps build a little cottage industry.

My other suggestion is one that I have done personally, and that is, to go to your local fabric shop, pick out some different styles and colors of lace off the bolt. Then tell one of the sales associates what you would like to do (provide mantillas for your church) and see if any of the employees there might be interested in picking up the job--she (or he) could probably whip you out a couple dozen in no time flat and the charge would still be less than buying one ready-made piece retail. You might also be able to work out a division of labor, for example, you're willing to take the fabric home and cut the pieces accordingly, then the seamstress just needs to do the finishing part.
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#47
(08-23-2011, 11:28 PM)newyorkcatholic Wrote:
(08-23-2011, 10:26 PM)Revixit Wrote: If the OP had written "I am a priest looking for a source for inexpensive veils to have on hand for women who come to my Masses," would you guys still have said "Sew them yourself "?  I don't think so. 

But, since you've said that anyone can learn to sew, go to it, each of you make a dozen mantillas and send them to the OP gratis.

Frankly, I assume a priest is too busy.  But I have said a few times that a man can sew a mantilla just fine too.  If you really have a need to insinuate that a hatred of women is behind what I write, insinuate away, but it doesn't make it true.

If the OP is also too busy, fine.  I've said multiple times on this thread that there are good reasons not to sew them as well -- they are just not as economical.  So there's benefits and drawbacks to each approach.  What I really object to is the attitude that there's something wrong with suggesting sewing.  It's relatively easy, but people don't think to try it themselves, and so it's a good suggestion.

As to your final "challenge" -- no thank you.  I prefer to use simple reason and logic to make a point.  I know from personal experience it's easy to make your own baby food instead of buying it and it's much cheaper, but I don't need to actually make it and send it to you for that to be true.  I also know that it's easy and fun to have an herb or vegetable garden, but I don't need to send anyone veggies to make that point.  And so on.

Your "challenge" is obviously not a serious attempt to help the OP but is just a transparent way to put down my suggestion.  My suggestion to consider sewing, however, is still one I stand by.  It was not said to put down women or to make you feel insecure or blah blah blah blah blah.  It's a normal thing to consider if you want to save money.

What kind of batshit crazy world do we live in anyway, in which such a suggestion is considered so problematic?

And why does everyone ignore the other points ggreg and I have made: that this applies not just to sewing but to other things: doing your own basic carpentry, for example.

So churches shouldn't hire carpenters, electricians, plumbers, etc.?  Just get together a bunch of DIY-ers?  Yeah, that'll work.

And every church should have a vineyard and make its own sacramental wine, and a bakery to make its own hosts, and a printing press to print missals and hymnals.

What?  Nobody has time to do those things because of their other work?  Well, they're just not efficient enough and you and ggreg need to straighten them out.  Ggreg makes six billion dollars a month and builds his own cars and tvs, what's the matter with the rest of the men in this world?

I would ask, "What kind of batshit crazy world do we live in anyway, in which a DRE asking for a source for inexpensive mantillas/scarves is told to make them instead?"

It's the trad macho world.  You and ggreg can deny it all you like but you would not tell a priest to man up and go make it (whatever "it" he asked for help finding.)

You got your boxers or briefs in a bunch because you assumed a DRE is female and all females should know how to sew, or be willing to learn when a man who once sewed something in junior high home ec and a man who built an addition to his house suggest it.  That's what's going on here and everybody knows it.

You say "Frankly I assume a priest is too busy."  Exactly! 

Later, because I pointed out that you would NOT have told a priest to go make them, you admit "If the OP is also too busy, fine."  Let's also admit that a DRE may be as busy as a priest.  Priests who delegate well seem to find plenty of time for golf and other hobbies.  DREs don't have many, if any, people to delegate to.



My reply to you and ggreg was:

"If the OP had written "I am a priest looking for a source for inexpensive veils to have on hand for women who come to my Masses," would you guys still have said "Sew them yourself "?  I don't think so. 

But, since you've said that anyone can learn to sew, go to it, each of you make a dozen mantillas and send them to the OP gratis."


You came back with:

"As to your final "challenge" -- no thank you.  I prefer to use simple reason and logic to make a point."

Those of us telling you that your suggestion is not helpful are also using simple reason and logic.  We reason that someone who has gone through the university curriculum required to become a DRE has the intellect and reasoning skills to realize that mantillas can be sewn -- by people who can sew.  If the OP could sew and had the time to do it, we reason she or he would not be asking for advice about where to buy inexpensive veils. 

I didn't make a challenge but a statement.  Since you and ggreg have asserted that there is nothing to making veils, and insinuated that it's wrong to spend money to buy them, insulting a new member of Fish Eaters in the process, I believe you should each make a dozen lace mantillas and send them to her (or him.)  You might learn that sewing a lace mantilla is not as easy as you thought it would be and you would be committing an act of charity to offset the offense you've given in this thread to the OP and women in general.  I don't expect you will do it but I think that you should.



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#48
(08-24-2011, 07:25 AM)Revixit Wrote: It's the trad macho world. 

Exactly. The second the OP said she wasn't interested in/able to sew the veils, the idea should have been dropped. I like both ggreg and newyorkcatholic, and neither of them seems to have  a negative attitude towards women at all, but it's this kind of pushy, know-it-all obnoxiousness that earns trad men their poor reputation.
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#49
There are some bitter, envious, cynical and myopic people in this world. I wonder how much more unmotivated some people could be if they were NOT Traditional Catholics?  Personally I like learning how to do things. I watch tradespeople and work out what requires real skill and experience and then do all the other stuff myself. By trying stuff you learn,  and many of the skills cross to other areas.  I would not thatch a roof or make plaster coving for my ceiling because it makes no economic sense and those things are hard to do right as well as requiring specialist tools. But making a mantilla is about as easy as sewing on a button or fixing the crutch in my favourite pants.

Besides most women like practical men able to fix stuff. My wife's single and divorced girlfriends are forever borrowing me to change a tap or some such thing.  Smart women want a Mr fixit around the house.
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#50

I can see from the main page listing that there's at least one new post in this thread, a post by ggreg.  I'm not going to read it or any future posts here.

I've said my piece and I've got better things to do than discussing this any further.

Hope everyone will have a good day.
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