Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate
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(08-24-2011, 11:06 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote:
(08-24-2011, 08:57 PM)City Smurf Wrote:
(08-24-2011, 08:47 PM)JMartyr Wrote: Oh, but the SSPX and the Orthodox are?

In that their ministry within Christ's Church is equally the same.. namely non-existent.

Huh?  According to the Catholic Church (especially Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI), the Eastern Orthodox are true particular Churches of the Church of Christ, they build up the Church of God whenever they celebrate the Holy Eucharist, they are not to be converted as though their salvation depended upon it, and Pope John Paul II declared himself to be in communion with schismatic patriarchs.  The Catholic Church supports their [Eastern Orthodox] mission in their countries, and gives them the relics of saints to help build up the Bride of Christ.

You should not be so dismissive of the "Eastern Lung of the Church."  ::)

How is it possible for the EO Churches to be "true particular Churches of the Church of Christ" ?

1. They are not mad keen on us (for reasons of very various worth)
2.  They & the CC do not  agree in dogma, or in  the canon of the Bible or as to which persons are Saints. 
3.  They reject the dogmatic teaching of Vatican I regarding the Primacy of Peter
4.  They do not regard the CC as  "a true particular [Church] of the Church of Christ"
5. They are sure that EOdoxy is the One Truth Faith as we are
6. There has been no change in EO doctrine or practice since before even 1964, when the Patriarch Athenagoras & Paul VI lifted their predecessors' excommunications. So what has changed, that the CC can regard EO Christians as members of "true particular Churches of the Church of Christ", when Pius XI, Leo XIII, & and earlier Popes did not ?   

With all possible respect for the EOdox  - IOW, a very great deal - it is incoherent & nonsensical, if one wishes not to cast off the traditional Faith of the CC, to say of them what  John Paul II said. The implications for Catholic dogma - not just doctrine, but dogma: truth revealed by God Himself that is part of the Apostolic Deposit of Faith - do not allow him to say that, nor the present Holy Father to agree with him. 

One has to wonder whether such notions of the Church as those implied by these items makes union with Rome worthwhile or even morally good. What is the good in being in communion with a Petrine See that can say such things, and does not explain how one gets from condemnation of the EOs to the acceptance of them  :( ?
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Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by salus - 08-23-2011, 11:36 PM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by joe17 - 08-24-2011, 12:49 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by joe17 - 08-24-2011, 01:25 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by ggreg - 08-24-2011, 01:30 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Justin - 08-24-2011, 06:02 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Cindy - 08-24-2011, 10:40 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by FHM310 - 08-24-2011, 11:07 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Justin - 08-24-2011, 08:47 PM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Justin - 08-24-2011, 08:56 PM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Justin - 08-24-2011, 08:58 PM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Cindy - 08-25-2011, 12:17 AM
Re: Vatican Offers SSPX Ordinariate - by Leo Rugiens - 08-25-2011, 09:42 PM



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