Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians
(09-15-2011, 12:49 PM)dan hunter Wrote:
(09-15-2011, 12:47 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: this is a smoke screen. smoke and mirrors lads. same old NO machinations.
i would be very shocked if the sspx falls for this trap
There is no trap.
It is all straight forward common sense.

Trust God and by extension His Heirarchy in this case.

From the OP...........

It is a short and mediated document, which follows the “Professio fidei” published in 1989 by the former Holy Office what in Rome has changed since 1989? Nothing. No way they sign.

and that states three different degrees of assent that the faithful must meet. In essence, a Catholic strives to believe “with firm faith” all that is “within the Word of God” and that the Church defines as “divinely revealed”. .........Which Church? The pre or post V2 church? 

Secondly, a Catholic agrees to accept all dogmas stated as such to this day. ........What? Since when does the NO even mention dogmas - those are soooo pre-V2.

Finally, and this is the difficult point for Lefebvrians, a Catholic is required to comply “with religious submission of will and intellect” to the teachings that the Pope and College of Bishops “set when they exercise their authentic Magisterium”, even when they are not stated in a dogmatic fashion, that is final..............Here is where they MUST swear obedience to heretical / modernist bishops. Oh boy, I bet they can hardly whip that pen out fast enough.

This is the most significant role of the magisterium, to which, for example, the encyclicals belong. And many Vatican II documents come from it and they should be read, as all the magisterium teachings – the Holy See explains – in the light of tradition and as a development, and not as a breaking point, from previous doctrine, according to hermeneutics proposed by Benedict XVI..................Nobody, I mean nobody can possibly stretch the true faith far enough to be able to read anything from V2 "in the light of tradition" - - - did you catch the next part - - - -  "and as a development"? How does one understand anything in light of tradition and as a development? A development of what?

The whole thing reeks of NO double talk. SSPX cannot agree to this - supposing the OP article is accurate.

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Re: Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians - by Stubborn - 09-15-2011, 01:02 PM

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