Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians

[Old Salt]

validity does not make a mass catholic. the orthodox have valid masses, shit a black mass can be valid. neither are catholic. the orthodox certainly is more catholic then the NO. the no is catholic in paperwork only. it has the paperwork to show a prod bastard mass it is as catholic.
its not
its very far from it

Stubborn said the NO is not valid, I was pointing out that he is wrong.

That it is always valid is absolutely impossible to prove - particularly when compared to that with which it replaced.

It is equally impossible to say that the TLM is *always* valid.  I imagine there have been invalid TLMs said over the years, eh?

That would be as impossible to prove as it is to prove there has ever been a valid NOM.

It actually is very easy to prove the validity of the NO Mass; if the correct form and matter are used.
I have been to maybe two invalid NO Masses that I could blatantly tell.
I have been to one invalid TLM that I know of for sure.