Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians
(09-16-2011, 03:53 PM)dan hunter Wrote:
(09-16-2011, 03:44 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(09-16-2011, 03:39 PM)JayneK Wrote: We are supposed to assume that the use of correct form and matter signify the priest's intent to do what the Church does.  This is all the intent that is required.

Catholic Encyclopedia Wrote:The Church teaches very unequivocally that for the valid conferring of the sacraments, the minister must have the intention of doing at least what the Church does. This is laid down with great emphasis by the Council of Trent (sess. VII). The opinion once defended by such theologians as Catharinus and Salmeron that there need only be the intention to perform deliberately the external rite proper to each sacrament, and that, as long as this was true, the interior dissent of the minister from the mind of the Church would not invalidate the sacrament, no longer finds adherents. The common doctrine now is that a real internal intention to act as a minister of Christ, or to do what Christ instituted the sacraments to effect, in other words, to truly baptize, absolve, etc., is required.

It's perfectly legitimate to doubt the intent of priests formed in the conciliar system. And if they happen to openly profess heresy, more so.
We can't be completely sure though.
We might have good reason, but we do not know for certain, So we should cautiously trust them, if unsure, and fully trust Almighty God and fling ourselves like children upon His Mercy.

How can you walk into a situation like that then presume God will be merciful to you?

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Re: Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians - by Stubborn - 09-16-2011, 03:55 PM

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