Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians
(09-19-2011, 06:23 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(09-19-2011, 10:56 AM)Nic Wrote:
(09-15-2011, 05:22 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(09-15-2011, 05:19 PM)dan hunter Wrote:
(09-15-2011, 05:13 PM)JayneK Wrote: Bishop Fellay speaks in a measured way, without hyperbole or polemics.  I admire this about him.
It probably reflects the way his mind works.
He is a genuine Catholic.

If the Society is regularized, I will probably being having much more to do with them.  I consider Bishop Fellay's leadership to be one of the positive aspects of the SSPX.

...but you disagree with their blatant stance against the New Mass.  How can you consider +Fellay's leadership good and "have much more to do with them" when they denounce the Protestant Mass that you constantly defend?

The Novus Ordo Mass is not Protestant and I would be very surprised if Bishop Fellay claimed it were.  I recognize many genuine problems with the NO, but I object to exaggerations of these problems. That is my so-called "defense" of the NO.

Your defense of the N.O. is quite documented on this forum.  Anyone who claims to be a "trad" and attends the New Mass defends it - they have to defend their reasoning for attending it, don't they?

...are you surprised that the official position of the SSPX is that nobody should attend the New Mass?  I have seen this on every website, book and article the SSPX has out and I have heard it from every SSPX priest that I have spoken with.  This is most DEFINITELY the position of +Fellay since he is the superior of the society.  Now, let's use a bit of common sense here:  if +Fellay thought the New Mass was Catholic, then why is a superior of a society that fervently states that we should not attend it telling them not to?  If it is a Catholic Mass, which means it teaches the Faith thoroughly (not because it just so happens to be a rite of Mass that the post-conciliar hierarchy, which is greatly modernist, allows within the Church), then why in the world does the SSPX tell its proponents never to attend it?  Hmmm.

And just for the sake of discussion, answer me this:  If tomorrow the Pope allowed the Lutheran "Mass" within the Church with no changes or very little changes, only slapping the title "Catholic" on it, would that Mass be Catholic although it effectively teaches a different religion?

If your answer is no, then why do you think that a Mass that is essentially Thomas Cranmer's rite - a Mass devised by committee consisting of 6 Protestants and an alleged Freemason - is Catholic?  Just because a hierarchy that just so happens to be thoroughly infected with heresy allows a rite of Mass within the Church does NOT make it Catholic - not at all.

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Re: Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians - by Nic - 09-21-2011, 09:42 AM

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