Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians
(09-23-2011, 03:44 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(09-23-2011, 03:23 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: not at all. the very people who unleashed the vile abominable NO said in black and white the motive. then later changed it and tweaked it to hid the fact.
the fruit speaks for themselves. u cant dismiss it. its from the horses mouth. you just deny a horse is horse a mouth a mouth
neat trick
Hope u wake up

I can just imagine you on the Titanic complaining about people moving the deck chairs.  "Look how the ship is sinking!  Obviously moving the deck chairs has caused it!"  Hello? THERE'S AN ICEBERG!!!!  You are the one who needs to wake up and realize that we live in a time of unprecedented social change and most of the problems you attribute to the NO would be happening if we still had the TLM.  

I believe that that TLM is a better Mass but all this nonsense about fruits of the NO is a crock.

I actually had someone at my church the other day tell me that the focus on the TLM was a waste of time because despite the expansion of the TLM these past few years the Church hasn't gotten better.  I think this is a very sad statement.  It's like saying what did praying the rosary ever do.  The TLM is not a silver bullet and the NO isn't the cause of all the problems in the church.  But, one can't get around the fact that the NO isn't helping, and is probably making things worse.  The NO doesn't deny Catholic theology, but it does significantly downplay many parts of theology that were front and center in the old mass. The Virgin Mary, the saints, the trinity, man's sinful nature, and transubstantiation are all things that get downplayed in the new mass in favor of a focus on community.  Nothing wrong with community, but it is problem the emphasis on community is so great that many Catholics don't believe the Virgin was ever virgin, don't understand the basics of the trinity, don't understand why confession is important and what a mortal sin is, and don't believe in transubstantiation.  Maybe we would be in the same boat if the TLM had stayed, but at least you couldn't fault the mass for not trying to educate people in the faith. 

The NO is a Catholic mass (perhaps by the skin of it's teeth), but we can do so so so much better than that. 
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Re: Tornielli: “Peace” agreement reached between Vatican and Lefebvrians - by Someone1776 - 09-23-2011, 03:55 PM



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