Another video of Fr. Barron: Good atheists can be saved. Vatican II told us so.
(09-21-2011, 01:00 AM)Gerard Wrote: Does anybody know where in Vatican II it states that people outside of the Catholic Church can be saved? 

You probably won't find a word-for-word denial that outside there is salvation outside the Catholic Church; however, that is the teaching, if this new teaching is understood.

The teaching is that the Catholic Church is merely one component of the "Church of Christ". This Catholic Church, in which the Church of Christ subsists, is the 'concrete historical reality' of the Church of Christ, which, as then-Cardinal Ratzinger said, is a "larger reality than the Catholic Church."

This teaching, he explains, was made possible by, first, the removal of scholasticism, which was too formulaic to address the legimate theological questions of our age, and, second, by the ambiguity of Vatican II. These conciliar texts were "left open", he says, for the purpose of being later expounded upon by supplementary ecumenical texts which would further develop the teachings only hinted at by the Second Vatican Council.

These ecumenical texts then go on to redefine the boundaries of the Church, just as the then-Fr. Ratzinger said they would in the 1960s, and effectively deny that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Instead, they say, the Church of Christ is composed of various different "particular Churches", which don't need to return to the Catholic Church in order to achieve the unity willed by Christ. This, they say, "must replace the idea of conversion, even though conversion retains its meaningfulness for those in conscience motivated to seek it."

Finally, the documents, appealing to the teachings of the Second Vatican Council, say that these "particular Churches" each contributes to the economy of salvation, that those who are in them do not need to convert to the Catholic Church in order to ensure their salvation, and that "non-Catholic Christians are therefore not outside of the one church."

No, it may not be true that the Second Vatican Council itself contains an explicit word-for-word denial of the dogma; nevertheless, according to the principle authors of the documents themselves, they were designed specifically to facilitate "a basic unity of churches that remain Churches, yet become one Church."

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Re: Another video of Fr. Barron: Good atheists can be saved. Vatican II told us so. - by INPEFESS - 09-25-2011, 03:26 AM

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