Another video of Fr. Barron: Good atheists can be saved. Vatican II told us so.
(09-25-2011, 10:13 PM)archdiocesan Wrote: Nostra Aetate can be accused of many things, but it is not universalist. If you're going to make sweeping claims, be capable of substantiating them. As for your claim that in the documents of Vatican II "we don't need Christ to avoid" Hell... that doesn't quite withstand scrutiny. Just one example:
Quote:Since no one can be saved who does not first believe, priests, as co-workers with their bishops, have the primary duty of proclaiming the Gospel of God to all. In this way they fulfill the command of the Lord: "Going therefore into the whole world preach the Gospel to every creature" (Mk 16:15), and they establish and build up the People of God. Through the saving word the spark of faith is lit in the hearts of unbelievers, and fed in the hearts of the faithful. This is the way that the congregation of faithful is started and grows, just as the Apostle describes: "Faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ" (Rom 10:17).

Dear brother in Christ:
Surely you are schooled in the tactic of the Modernists to employ a perfectly orthodox text side-by-side with an inprecise and ambiguous one?  "Believe" here is interpreted by the Modernists as "consciousness" which Pope John Paul II had already defined as what formerly constituted 'conversion.'  To wit, the entire human race is already justified, but it is the vocation of the Church to raise awareness of this fact so that by his consciousness man may realize what has already been accomplished a priori, viz, that they are already Christians whether they desire it or not or whether they believe it or not.

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Re: Another video of Fr. Barron: Good atheists can be saved. Vatican II told us so. - by Catholic Johnny - 09-25-2011, 10:19 PM

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