Pope's failure in Germany
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(09-24-2011, 07:28 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote:
(09-24-2011, 06:57 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: In the philosophical scheme of "healthy laicism", all religions contribute to build up society and its laws, respecting each other as a unique and positive contributor for the common good. This is not about preaching the Gospel but about building the New World Order.


Throughout the speech, the Holy Father argues that Western concepts of law and human dignity are rooted in Christianity and its acceptance of the classical traditions of law and philosophy. He obviously believes that Christianity has played an essential role in shaping Western political discourse. He isn't treating all religions as equal.

Apparently you haven't grasped what "healthy laicism" means in the modernist mind.

You say that he "obviously believes that Christianity has played an essential role in shaping Western political discourse" and I ask you: so what? Any history teacher could say that. It's a mere recognition of a historical fact. In Asia, Buddhism, Hinduism and traditional pagan religions have also played essential roles in shaping their cultures and political discourses.

The pope isn't preaching the necessity of conversion to Catholicism to achieve temporal and eternal happiness but only preparing the way for the New World Order to come, a political reality where all religions will work together for peace and social concord and submit to the Antichrist.
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#32
(09-24-2011, 08:39 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote:
(09-24-2011, 07:28 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote:
(09-24-2011, 06:57 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: In the philosophical scheme of "healthy laicism", all religions contribute to build up society and its laws, respecting each other as a unique and positive contributor for the common good. This is not about preaching the Gospel but about building the New World Order.


Throughout the speech, the Holy Father argues that Western concepts of law and human dignity are rooted in Christianity and its acceptance of the classical traditions of law and philosophy. He obviously believes that Christianity has played an essential role in shaping Western political discourse. He isn't treating all religions as equal.
You say that he "obviously believes that Christianity has played an essential role in shaping Western political discourse" and I ask you: so what? Any history teacher could say that. It's a mere recognition of a historical fact. In Asia, Buddhism, Hinduism and traditional pagan religions have also played essential roles in shaping their cultures and political discourses.

He notes that Christianity has informed many Western political concepts and then goes on to argue that those concepts are under siege now that Christianity is increasingly being driven from the public sphere. He isn't just giving a history lesson; he is arguing that Western political ideas depend on a Christian understanding of man that is begin neglected due to positivism. Everything you mention about the "New World Order" exists only in your own mind and has nothing to do with the Pope's speech. Perhaps you should try listening to what the Holy Father has to say instead of forcing your own ideas about what the Pope believes into a speech in which they have no place.
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#33
so what? Christianity has informed political concepts?
WOW
how so brilliant and deep. he sure had balls BALLS stating such a thing
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#34
(09-24-2011, 08:53 PM)Crusading Philologist Wrote: He notes that Christianity has informed many Western political concepts and then goes on to argue that those concepts are under siege now that Christianity is increasingly being driven from the public sphere. He isn't just giving a history lesson; he is arguing that Western political ideas depend on a Christian understanding of man that is begin neglected due to positivism.

I know you're getting a kick of playing the pope's squire but stop and think for a minute.

What is the Pope actually concerned about in that speech? The conversion of all political and social sphere to Catholicism? The condemnation of secularism?

No. He's concerned that Christianity (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox), as a religious and cultural phenomenon, is under siege in the Western world. However, his concerns seem unable to overcome the mere natural level which anyone can peacefully share with people of other faiths or of no faith at all. Benedict only tells the Bundestag that the more Christianity is driven out of the political sphere, the more risk the Germans (and Europeans) have of falling into dictatorships, because Christianity (or Judeo-Christianity) is the depository of human rights and, supposedly, of western democracy.

Everything is said on a mere natural level. Germany needs Judeo-Christianity insofar as to keep its democratic institutions alive. Germany doesn't really need Christ to save the soul of the country.
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#35
Vetus
Please make you point without being sarcastic.
You are very insightful but you would be taken a lot more seriously if you were not frequently sarcastic.
There is no point to it.
Everyone gets the message that they are a golf scores IQ lower than yours is.
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#36
(09-24-2011, 09:28 PM)dan hunter Wrote: Vetus
Please make you point without being sarcastic.
You are very insightful but you would be taken a lot more seriously if you were not frequently sarcastic.
There is no point to it.
Everyone gets the message that they are a golf scores IQ lower than yours is.
Evidently
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#37
no sarcasm works for a reason. especially in  a case like this.
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#38
(09-24-2011, 09:36 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: no sarcasm works for a reason. especially in  a case like this.
Sarcasm usually does not work to help the person who might be wrong, but it usually makes one angry, and this is no help to our fellow man.
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#39
Spare me.
Sip sip
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#40
But the whole "I'm ok, you're ok" attitude of the Vatican is just fine.  Rolling eyes
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