"You're basically saying everything Jesus would oppose" - UN discussion
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A blessed Sunday to all of you...

I was talking to my deist Swedish friend who hates all established religions (it's a hoot). He was saying how great the world is since we started uniting in peace and love after 1945. He was heavy with praise of the UN, socialism, and enlightened atheists taking their spot on the stage. He says he is more Christian than I could ever be because he assumes he gives more time to charity, LOL. Some time into the conversation, I said I hope the UN is dismantled some day and we start returning to pre-1914 government in the Catholic nations (and moderate French monarchy of course). He then said "God would laugh at you - he wants good and you want bad. You're basically saying everything Jesus would oppose".

The arrogance of these pro-socialist democracy-at-all-costs UN-worshiping types is getting on my nerves, especially when they haven't even read our Lord's words and don't know a thing about the Gospels. What do you all think about the UN and our Lord's words of reconciliation, peace, good will, etc.? I'd love a lot of opinions...
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Such people assume that Jesus would want for people what they want because they want it.
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#3
I honestly don't think its even worth thinking about.  We have God's infallible word and an infallible source of interpretation for it.  Those who hate God hate His word and hate the authoritative interpretation of it.

Commies gonna be commies.

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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#4
I don't think Christ would care that much for the United Nations one way or another. The Jews were disappointed with Christ for not taking a political stand.  I think many trads would be REALLY disappointed in Christ for not taking a political stand today. 
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(09-25-2011, 02:16 PM)Someone1776 Wrote: I don't think Christ would care that much for the United Nations one way or another. The Jews were disappointed with Christ for not taking a political stand.  I think many trads would be REALLY disappointed in Christ for not taking a political stand today. 

Good point.
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#6
If Jesus came today, they would crucify Him again if they could.
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(09-25-2011, 02:19 PM)DeoDuce Wrote: If Jesus came today, we would crucify Him again if we could.

fixed that for you.
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(09-25-2011, 02:20 PM)Someone1776 Wrote:
(09-25-2011, 02:19 PM)DeoDuce Wrote: If Jesus came today, they would crucify Him again if they could.

fixed that for you.

Fixed it back.
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#9
Our Lord said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.  Our Lord was clearly concerned with men entering into eternal communion with God, not with establishing earthly comfort and prosperity.  St Paul reminded us of this in today's lesson.  What goes for rich men also goes perhaps even more for wealthy socialist countries where even the "poor" can be lured into thinking man to be sufficient and an end in himself.  This modern social democratic prosperity is a seed bed of Pelagian illusion, and moreover will surely not last more than a decade or two more as aging populations collapse upon themselves in demographic oblivion.
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I often wonder if the homogenisation of culture, civilisation, and people resultant from increased UN activity would be against our Lord's wishes, especially in light of what He taught us. Look at how He loved St. John the Baptist, for example, who said that soldiers ought to accept their pay (i.e. do their job to fight for what is good), but not go over the limit of just orders. The UN is devoted to world peace, dismantling forces that might be used to fight for what is good, and to "talk" with all evil people. This is their tactic that is most popular; re Rwanda.

A deeper lie, a grand pacifism, a sort of secularism (defining "Democracy' as one of the fundamental human rights, as if anyone was entitled to a specific type of human government) is all-pervasive. Is the UN objectively evil in our Lord's eyes, for its goals and intentions?

DeoDuce, we all crucify Christ. Try living in the fervor of Good Friday morning, told this is a mere man who wishes to destroy the social order and start an upheaval with Rome. I'd certainly have yelled 'crucify him'... sad

(09-25-2011, 02:25 PM)Landelinus Wrote: Our Lord said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.  Our Lord was clearly concerned with men entering into eternal communion with God, not with establishing earthly comfort and prosperity.  St Paul reminded us of this in today's lesson.  What goes for rich men also goes perhaps even more for wealthy socialist countries where even the "poor" can be lured into thinking man to be sufficient and an end in himself.  This modern social democratic prosperity is a seed bed of Pelagian illusion, and moreover will surely not last more than a decade or two more as aging populations collapse upon themselves in demographic oblivion.

I dunno, the hippie generation has indoctrinated the 1980's and 1990's generations very heavily with this stuff. I meet a lot of people my age (22) who think Democracy is basically God, and worship its implementation.
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