"You're basically saying everything Jesus would oppose" - UN discussion
#11
(09-25-2011, 02:23 PM)DeoDuce Wrote:
(09-25-2011, 02:20 PM)Someone1776 Wrote:
(09-25-2011, 02:19 PM)DeoDuce Wrote: If Jesus came today, they would crucify Him again if they could.

fixed that for you.

Fixed it back.

Really?  
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#12
Yep.
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#13
(09-25-2011, 02:27 PM)DeoDuce Wrote: Yep.

So Saint Peter betrayed Christ...but you wouldn't?
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#14
can you have your friend tell you what world he is on? cuz its not earth.
sip
united in peace nd love since 1945?
really?
Huh??
odd

a quick google of the wars the ;last 70 years seeems  to suggest otherwise
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#15
(09-25-2011, 02:27 PM)DeoDuce Wrote: Yep.

Wow.

Are you a Catholic?  Because what you're saying is patently anti-Catholic.  
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#16
(09-25-2011, 02:28 PM)Someone1776 Wrote:
(09-25-2011, 02:27 PM)DeoDuce Wrote: Yep.

So Saint Peter betrayed Christ...but you wouldn't?

I pretty much crucify Him with my sinfulness.

...I'm trying not to though.
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#17
(09-25-2011, 02:26 PM)Laetare Wrote: I dunno, the hippie generation has indoctrinated the 1980's and 1990's generations very heavily with this stuff. I meet a lot of people my age (22) who think Democracy is basically God, and worship its implementation.
I concur.  Mine was the first generation they tried this on, so I know what you mean.  The point I was making is not that people will suddenly change their minds in a few decades but that the illusion of human self sufficiency - as emodied in socialist democracies will soon come crashing down as shrinking European populations are no longer able to sustain their welfare states, while the alien influence of a growing Islamic population gestates within them, awaiting that point of terminal weakness when it can burst forth and finally consume its host.  When Europe finally falls, the UN will be meaningless.  I'm not too much more optimistic about the fate of the US either.
Democracy, to work, requires a relatively homomgeneous population that shares values and goals.  The near impossibility of effectively governing a diverse populace via democracy is illustrated in my home state of California.  People won't give up on their false god of democracy, but eventually they will realize that this god has feet of clay.
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#18
(09-25-2011, 02:26 PM)Laetare Wrote: I often wonder if the homogenisation of culture, civilisation, and people resultant from increased UN activity would be against our Lord's wishes, especially in light of what He taught us. Look at how He loved St. John the Baptist, for example, who said that soldiers ought to accept their pay (i.e. do their job to fight for what is good), but not go over the limit of just orders. The UN is devoted to world peace, dismantling forces that might be used to fight for what is good, and to "talk" with all evil people. This is their tactic that is most popular; re Rwanda.

A deeper lie, a grand pacifism, a sort of secularism (defining "Democracy' as one of the fundamental human rights, as if anyone was entitled to a specific type of human government) is all-pervasive. Is the UN objectively evil in our Lord's eyes, for its goals and intentions?

DeoDuce, we all crucify Christ. Try living in the fervor of Good Friday morning, told this is a mere man who wishes to destroy the social order and start an upheaval with Rome. I'd certainly have yelled 'crucify him'... sad

(09-25-2011, 02:25 PM)Landelinus Wrote: Our Lord said that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of needle than for a rich man to enter heaven.  Our Lord was clearly concerned with men entering into eternal communion with God, not with establishing earthly comfort and prosperity.  St Paul reminded us of this in today's lesson.  What goes for rich men also goes perhaps even more for wealthy socialist countries where even the "poor" can be lured into thinking man to be sufficient and an end in himself.  This modern social democratic prosperity is a seed bed of Pelagian illusion, and moreover will surely not last more than a decade or two more as aging populations collapse upon themselves in demographic oblivion.

I dunno, the hippie generation has indoctrinated the 1980's and 1990's generations very heavily with this stuff. I meet a lot of people my age (22) who think Democracy is basically God, and worship its implementation.

Secularism, yes. A grand *pacifism*?! The UN is all about peace through terror. Centralized mayhem does not peace make.
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#19
aye. lets hope the Un goes to the dust bin of history soon.
let us pray
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#20
Amen.

tim
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