The Curse Of OCPD
(11-08-2011, 06:19 AM)HailGilbert Wrote:
(11-08-2011, 04:29 AM)Arun Wrote: mmkay

I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you mean by this word. Please explain and thank you.

I'm very sorry but I cannot for the life of me remember why I posted that... ???
(11-09-2011, 01:48 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: how does one know it becomes obsessive?
so there is worry. as in one worried the bills wont be paid, or some such
then it gets to be obsessive when the bills to get paid but u still worry about anyway?
i know that smacks as being very simplistic but I'm just tryin to get it
or is it like what addicts go through? they obsess over getting the drugs, then when they get the rug they obsess over getting more even when they already have it, then they obsess with using it even when they just used it?
is addiction a form of ocd?
im very sceptical any book could really solve these kinds of plms. books are great. but these kinds of plms are far more then intelectual
again using the addict idea here.
tossing a book a ta  drug addict and saying read this and shut up wont really help much. thats why they have meetings and doctors and stuff. obviously with books too

LEt me try and answer this as best as I can.  ITs called obsessive because the thoughts literally obsess us.  All of a sudden (for scrupulous people) you might get an idea in your head to say you hate God.  Of course, you resist, thinking how terrible that would be.  But the idea doesn't go away, adn it just keeps popping back in your head over and over.  What we obsess over can vary from person to person, but they often have the same themes: someone is going to die or get hurt if we don't do something, or it might be a mortal sin, its always something terrible that will happen if we don't give in to teh compulsion to do something.  If you don't give in, then it becomes obsessive, becasue the idea just sticks in your head.  When I get stressd out I start looking for houses on fire and dead people in cars.  Seems silly to someone else, but to me, its not.  Somebody could die because of my actions, and then you ahve terrible guilt the rest of your life when all you had to do to save the person was simply turn around quick and make sure there wasn't really on fire.  That's the b##ch of OCPD, its always something so seemingly simple and little you want to do, that makes it seem sop trifling a problem, until you realize that it's not normal.  No, books are not the cure.  The best spirirtual help is trust in God's mercy.    In battling our scrupulous tendencies, we have to ignore our consciences in some instances.  We fear we might sin because of this.  Nut we are taught (through the books) that becasue of our over-moral tendencies, what we think is sinful is likely not.  Either way, GOd will not send us to hell because we sinned when we truly thought we were battling over-active consciences.  I hope that clarifes some thing for you DK.
ok i was thinking about it and i do no people who play the lotto obsessively
every day they play
sun rain Armageddon whatever
they play it. they want to win.
that's not really an obsession then though it look slikew one as it seems fairly insane to me. sur eu may win. but really so what?
yeah id like a few big ones too.
but I'm no gonna be scratchin those damn cards every day as soon as the store opens just to see
is that a form of it?
and so if u obsess say over dead people in cars i dotn see what the plm is. how does thinkin you will find deaf folks in cars really cause u plm in life?
wouldn't  abetter way to handle is accept u see corpses in cars as the sun shines and go on with your life?
so u see dead folks some see aliens
Actually you're right at the end.  I got over my OCPD by kind of laughing at myself and my silly thoughts and telling myself to just get on with life.  When I get very stressed out it comes back, but I know how to deal with it now, whereas previously I didn't.  Where it can cause a problem is the gnawing in your mind about having to check.  It is an addiction in one way.
Interesting way to put it
I'm working with addicts for the next 3 years and I've noticed the obsessivness about some of them even being clean
I dunno
guess I'm more of the who cares bent when it comes to obsessive stuff but is aboutthe wiring and allthst i guess
one guy has a plm with bugs
crawling on him or whateer kinda irritating as he rivets and jumps around about bugs
I told him
Irvin tebrop of the food chain lad
who gives a shit abot bugs
buy I wated me breath didn't work
(11-09-2011, 05:28 AM)donaldpeter12 Wrote: Thanks to help from a friend of mine in the Midwest, I have a link to an article on the accursed personality disorder I've been suffering under. The thing I can stop obsessing over no matter how hard I want to.

Congratulations to you! Make you have every success in dealing with your disorder. And a salute to your friend as well.  :)
Ah u just need a night put fighting with dk
you'll be fine lad
I got your back
(11-09-2011, 08:42 PM)devotedknuckles Wrote: Interesting way to put it
I'm working with addicts for the next 3 years and I've noticed the obsessivness about some of them even being clean
I dunno
guess I'm more of the who cares bent when it comes to obsessive stuff but is aboutthe wiring and allthst i guess
one guy has a plm with bugs
crawling on him or whateer kinda irritating as he rivets and jumps around about bugs
I told him
Irvin tebrop of the food chain lad
who gives a shit abot bugs
buy I wated me breath didn't work

Yeah my friend flattted with an opiate addict and the whole bathroom always used to smell like bleach all the time. Hygiene freak - paranoid about hep C I think.
Dear friends and neighbors,

Here is another well-visited forum for folks suffering from this cursed Disorder and their families who are dealing with it as best as they can:

This is a Hellish thing to deal with. This is one of the reasons why my trust in Our Savior is low at the best of times. So far, humanity is not allowed to find a permanent cure for the Disorder. The only hope to be free and to be normal again is by Divine Intervention.

Please spare a prayer or two for those who suffer from this and their families as well. Many thanks in advance.
Forgive my memory lapse, but some one a while back asked about the difference between OCPD and Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (or OCD). Here is an article from the website "" that describes the difference. Many thanks to you all in advance.

OCPD vs OCD- The Difference

Obsessive compulsive personality disorder, or OCPD, is one of the more prevalent personality disorders in the United States. Approximately sixteen million adult Americans meet the diagnostic criteria for obsessive compulsive personality disorder—that's 7.9 percent of the general population.
Rigid adherence to rules and regulations and an overwhelming need for order and personal control are the primary characteristics of obsessive compulsive personality disorder. People living with OCPD are inflexible, perfectionists and unwilling to yield responsibilities to others.

OCPD Vs. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD)

The term obsessive compulsive personality disorder implies a relationship with obsessive compulsive disorder. Some personality disorders are considered to be less severe versions of a particular mental disorder. Schizotypal personality disorder, for instance, is considered to be a mild form of schizophrenia.

While OCD and OCPD share some symptoms, the two disorders are unrelated. Obsessive compulsive personality disorder has certain important differences from OCD. People with obsessive compulsive disorder are often aware that their obsessions are abnormal, but are compelled to perform them anyway. People with obsessive compulsive personality disorder, however, believe their need for strict order and rules is perfectly normal.

Obsessive compulsive disorder often interferes with the OCD sufferer's success in social and work environments. While people with obsessive compulsive personality disorder certainly have difficulties with social relationships, they usually tend to perform well in work environments.

Five percent of OCD cases show evidence of comorbid personality disorder (a personality disorder that occurs along with OCD). Interestingly, obsessive compulsive personality disorder is not the most commonly comorbid personality disorder found with OCD. Avoidant and dependant personality disorders are much more commonly associated with OCD.

Symptoms of Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder

OCPD symptoms tend to appear early in adulthood and are defined by inflexibility, close adherence to rules, anxiety when rules are transgressed, and unrealistic perfectionism. A person with obsessive compulsive personality disorder exhibits several of the following symptoms:

* abnormal preoccupation with lists, rules, and minor details
* excessive devotion to work, to the detriment of social and family activities
* miserliness or a lack of generosity
* perfectionism that interferes with task completion, as performance is never good enough
* refusal to throw anything away (pack-rat mentality)
* rigid and inflexible attitude towards morals or ethical code
* unwilling to let others perform tasks, fearing the loss of responsibility
* upset and off-balance when rules or established routines are disrupted.

Causes of OCPD

Men appear to be more susceptible to OCPD than women. A possible genetic cause has been suggested, as OCPD often runs in families. Family dynamics and parenting styles may also explain the frequency of the disorder in some families. One theory suggests that as children, people with obsessive compulsive personality disorder were consistently punished for negative behavior, failure, and rule-breaking, while receiving no praise for success and compliance. To avoid punishment, the child develops a habit of rigidly following rules that lasts into adulthood.

Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder at Work

Obsessive compulsive personality disorder, on the surface at least, often leads to success in work environments. People with OCPD require routine and need to know where they stand in the social hierarchy, and nowhere is that hierarchy more obvious than in the workplace.

People with obsessive compulsive personality disorder are deferential and polite to those in authority, whether that person is a police officer or their work supervisor. This characteristic, coupled with their compliance with rules and tendency to devote themselves to their careers often earns OCPD workers the praise of their supervisors. To those seen as beneath them on the social or work hierarchy, however, people with OCPD can give harsh criticism and seem to exhibitself-righteousness.

When OCPD creates problems in the workplace, it is often due to two causes. First off, perfectionism and a need to repetitively check minor details for errors can prevent OCPD employees from finishing projects by their deadlines. Secondly, an insistence on observing even the most insignificant regulations, the need to micromanage projects, and obvious criticism and contempt for subordinates, can lead to conflict with, and alienation from, fellow employees.

Family Life with Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder

At home, the obsessive compulsive spouse and parent are often domineering and rude, usually as he or she attempts to hold family members accountable for conforming to rules and unrealistic expectations. Financially, the OCPD individual tends to be thrifty to the point of miserliness, hoarding money for some imagined future catastrophe. This can create financial arguments in the family, in addition to constant conflicts over personal control and independence.

OCPD and Internal Strife

From the descriptions given above, one might think that the obsessive compulsive personality disorder individual was entirely in agreement with inflexible compliance about rules and regulations. Evidence suggests, however, that OCPD patients subconsciously want to break free from and rebel against rules and conformity, but their intense fear of social reprisals, punishment, and ridicule is too great. Instead, people with OCPD adopt rigid adherence to rules to avoid punishment, even as their subconscious minds rebel against such restrictions.

OCPD Complications

The conflict between outer conformity and subconscious rebellion is rarely recognized by people with OCPD, and can manifest itself as psycho-physiological conditions, including stress-induced muscle tension, anxiety, and impotence. These unsettling conditions are sometimes the reason the obsessive compulsive personality disorder sufferer initially seeks treatment.

People with obsessive compulsive personality disorder are also susceptible to major depressive episodes, due to stress, tension, and social rejection (people often become frustrated with the

OCPD sufferer's obsession with rules and behavior). The natural physical and cognitive limitations that come with aging are difficult for the OCPD sufferer to handle, and can also trigger depression.
Diagnosis and Treatment of Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder

OCPD is diagnosed based on symptoms and personal history. As other medical conditions can mimic obsessive compulsive personality disorder, it is imperative to rule out other causes, including:

* antisocial personality disorder
* chronic substance abuse
* narcissistic personality disorder
* obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)
* schizoid personality disorder
* underlying medical conditions.

Overall prognosis for obsessive compulsive personality disorder is better than for many other personality disorders. The deference to authority and rigid self-control of OCPD patients can help during therapy, as they are less likely to abuse medication or cease treatment. Therapists need to bear in mind the hidden rebelliousness of obsessive compulsive personality disorder may lead to a subconscious rejection of treatment, even as the conscious mind accepts it.

SSRIs, or selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, may help reduce compulsive behavior in obsessive compulsive personality disorder, and may also be used to treat depression caused by OCPD.

Long-term psychotherapy is the primary treatment for obsessive compulsive personality disorder. Combinations of medication and therapy may be more effective than psychotherapy alone. Cognitive-behavioral therapy is often used, with an emphasis on learning to accept change, uncertainty, and lack of control over certain events.

Ideally treatment helps the patient make a transition from obsessive compulsive personality disorder to a conscientious personality type (a non-clinical personality type that closely resembles OCPD). Like obsessive compulsive personality disorder, the conscientious personality type values hard work, thrift, strong moral values and attention to detail. However, the conscientious personality type is more flexible, less rigid, and better able to function than obsessive compulsive personality disorder.

While individual talk therapy can be beneficial for obsessive compulsive personality disorder, group and family therapy is more problematic. The OCPD patient will attempt to identify his or herself with the authority figure (the therapist), much as the patient would act towards social or work superiors. In doing so, the obsessive compulsive personality disorder patient distances himself from other group members. He or she may treat them with the contempt and harsh criticism reserved for subordinates and the therapy will be of little benefit.

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