Kissing the Koran
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Servire Deo, the gentleman from Catholicinfo was referring to our discussion about whether God could accept prayers of good-willed pagans. Read over the discussion. He did not prove that the Church taught his position, so I am allowed to have my opinion. Read the thread on here "Imperfect Prayers". The old Catholic Encyclopedia even holds my position.

Now, it's okay for people to be upset by the Pope's action. And I admire all your contempt for evil and heresies; we should all be willing to die for our faith. But it is wrong to assume more than is needed in a negative way towards the Pope. That is all I was pointing out. Contrary to what  VetusOro says, the Pope is called by Catholics "The HOLY Father"; Vatican I speaks of him as if he were Peter himself. This thread did not have my hoped for affect. Nobody said "oh, well good, perhaps there is some explanation for it". Out of love for the former Pope, you would think people would be happy to know these thing. Too many people calling themselves tradition Catholics have gloated over it.  People have called it apostasy without knowing the Popes heart or mind on the matter. An action has the meaning which the person intends to give to it.

2 Kings 5:18-19

18 Yet in this thing may the LORD pardon your servant: when my master goes into the temple of Rimmon to worship there, and he leans on my hand, and I bow down in the temple of Rimmon—when I bow down in the temple of Rimmon, may the LORD please pardon your servant in this thing.”
19 Then he said to him, “Go in peace.” So he departed from him a short distance.


This servant would be helping his king into his temple and bowing in there with his king leaning on his arm. If the king's religious action was completely evil, the prophet of God would not have said "Go in peace". If the servant was doing wrong by performig an action that shows respect, than the prophet of God was a prophet of Satan. Muslims, with the Koran as the foundation of their faith, can and do pray to God; some in America with pray at their required times in public with everyone looking at them. John Paul II wanted better relations with them, not animosity. Kissing the Koran was intended to do this, so that is what the action meant. Early Christians were not allowed to offer incense to gods, even if they only did it externally, because it was seen by the coercing pagans to be a denial of the Faith. We cannot do actions which others will interprete as a denial of the Faith. We can safely assume that the Muslims present knew the custom of kissing books, and we do not know whether the Pope even knew about the photo (some don't flash, and he was old).

People jumped the gun again when the Pope asked John the Baptism to protect Islam. The word "Islam" has two meanings: the faith of those people, or those people themselves. Again, we can and should assume that the Pope asked St. John to protect those people from harm, for truly the Pope is their Father still. I understand the concern of people over "giving 'concessions'" to non-Christians. But let's remember that St. Paul did this in Acts right after the Council. The Apostles decreed that circumcision wasn't necessary for the faith. And right after, what does Paul do? Does he say "let's show everyone that they must accept the Council"? Well, he circumcises Timothy, in order not to offend the Jews! It can take steps in order to convert people. We lay people do not know all the factors involved in papal decisions. Does any of you even know anything about a single person who was present when the Pope kissed the Koran? I doubt any of the complaining Catholics did. If we were talking about your biological father, you would not jump to rash judgments. Let's remember our place in the Church, for we are "sheeple"
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Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-13-2011, 11:13 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by SCG - 11-13-2011, 11:16 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by In nomine Patris - 11-13-2011, 11:23 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by devotedknuckles - 11-13-2011, 11:26 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Resurrexi - 11-13-2011, 11:29 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-13-2011, 11:39 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by devotedknuckles - 11-13-2011, 11:41 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by In nomine Patris - 11-13-2011, 11:50 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by SCG - 11-13-2011, 11:52 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 12:08 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by In nomine Patris - 11-14-2011, 12:09 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Crusading Philologist - 11-14-2011, 12:11 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 12:15 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 12:53 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Resurrexi - 11-14-2011, 12:59 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:03 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 01:04 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Resurrexi - 11-14-2011, 01:11 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:13 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 01:14 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Resurrexi - 11-14-2011, 01:15 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 01:16 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 01:22 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:23 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:26 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by kingtheoden - 11-14-2011, 01:26 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 01:28 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Resurrexi - 11-14-2011, 01:29 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:30 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 01:30 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:31 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 01:34 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:35 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 01:37 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:38 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:39 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 01:43 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:50 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 01:55 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by CrusaderKing - 11-14-2011, 01:55 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:56 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 01:59 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:01 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 02:04 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:14 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 02:18 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:34 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 02:39 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:43 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 02:44 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:48 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:51 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 02:53 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by devotedknuckles - 11-14-2011, 02:58 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:01 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:04 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 03:04 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:05 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 03:07 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 03:08 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:09 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 03:10 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:12 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:13 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 03:15 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 03:16 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:17 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:18 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-14-2011, 03:20 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:23 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 03:32 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Vetus Ordo - 11-14-2011, 01:10 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 02:40 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Adam Wayne - 11-14-2011, 02:50 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by lauermar - 11-14-2011, 04:18 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by In nomine Patris - 11-14-2011, 04:26 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 04:28 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Anthem - 11-14-2011, 05:11 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 08:07 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Vetus Ordo - 11-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 08:30 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-14-2011, 08:37 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-14-2011, 10:28 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-14-2011, 11:42 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by formerbuddhist - 11-14-2011, 11:57 PM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 12:00 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Vetus Ordo - 11-15-2011, 12:01 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 12:04 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 12:04 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-15-2011, 12:06 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 12:11 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 12:12 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 12:14 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 12:15 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 12:35 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 01:21 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by SouthpawLink - 11-15-2011, 01:33 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:33 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by INPEFESS - 11-15-2011, 01:38 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:40 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:42 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 01:43 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 01:45 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:45 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by SouthpawLink - 11-15-2011, 01:46 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 01:47 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 01:48 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:48 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 01:50 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:52 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by SouthpawLink - 11-15-2011, 01:54 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 01:57 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 01:58 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 02:02 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 02:07 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 02:08 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 02:11 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 02:21 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Servire Deo - 11-15-2011, 02:22 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 02:29 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 02:31 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by aquinasg - 11-15-2011, 02:35 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Arun - 11-15-2011, 02:47 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by Historian - 11-15-2011, 06:22 AM
Re: Kissing the Koran - by maso - 11-15-2011, 08:16 AM
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