Spousal Contraception Qs
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Mithrandylan,

This is the issue I have, is that I am having a very difficult time reconciling one spouse having intercourse with a non conrtacepting spouse- and somehow not having that intention.

Sometimes spouses suffer things they don't want. I know someone that got fixed even though the wife was flat against, and stated that quite clearly. I know a lady that was divorced. She lives celibately to this day. She did not will her husband to leave her.

For one, the non-contracepting spouse is <i>in effect</i> contracepting through the act.

The act of making love between spouses, if not coitus interruptus, is exactly the same in both circumstances. So the innocent spouse has done nothing different. It is the other spouse that has gone astray. I assume the "fixing" is internal, not external. A condom would be a game changer I think.

On another note, if he commits coitus interruptus, and the wife did not want that, then she is not at fault. Obviously these are not very harmonious marital circumstances we are talking about. This is marriage crisis zone.

It doesn't take one to contracept.

Yes it does!

The openess to life is an absolute pre-requisite to licit sex.

Yes, and the innocent spouse is open to life. Like I said before, a spouse may feel another good justifies them having marital relations in these circumstances. It may even be to gve them affection to persuade them to make peace and stop their sin. We are talking about obligations, not what is most advantageous or heroically virtuous.

Secondly, having intercourse knowingly with someone who is contracepting is absolutely enabling them.

It could, but I don't think that is logically necessary. There are too many unwanted corollaries to that kind of logic.

Without you having sex with them, they're not sinning <i>per se</i>.

No! No! They sin in the contraceptive act before sex occurs. The sex is fine. The contraceptive intention and procurement is the sin (surgery, implant, whatever).

If we want to get real technical, taking birth control without having sex isn't sinful.

They would have to abstain, but the teaching of NFP comes into play here.

See the situation isn't the same. In NFP the spouse has to abstain because of a grave situation of health, finances, etc.. In the situation we have at hand, the spouse does not harm the contracepting spouse through their act. The contracepting spouse is the one harming. If anything, the contraceptor is the one who should abstain until they correct the situation.
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Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-15-2011, 02:54 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by K3vinhood - 11-15-2011, 03:07 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by K3vinhood - 11-15-2011, 03:23 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-15-2011, 03:24 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-15-2011, 03:39 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-15-2011, 03:45 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-15-2011, 04:14 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-15-2011, 07:10 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-15-2011, 07:15 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-15-2011, 07:32 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Adam_Michael - 11-15-2011, 08:22 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-15-2011, 08:26 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-15-2011, 08:41 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-15-2011, 08:43 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Adam_Michael - 11-15-2011, 08:52 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Adam_Michael - 11-15-2011, 08:52 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-15-2011, 11:37 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by OCLittleFlower - 11-16-2011, 06:36 AM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by SCG - 11-16-2011, 01:51 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Servire Deo - 11-16-2011, 01:55 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-16-2011, 01:57 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Servire Deo - 11-16-2011, 01:59 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by SCG - 11-16-2011, 02:06 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 02:11 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-16-2011, 02:20 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Ray M Facere - 11-16-2011, 03:01 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-16-2011, 03:03 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 03:04 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Ray M Facere - 11-16-2011, 03:06 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 03:11 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by SCG - 11-16-2011, 03:13 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Servire Deo - 11-16-2011, 03:17 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 05:01 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 05:05 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Vetus Ordo - 11-16-2011, 05:14 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 05:20 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Jenn - 11-16-2011, 05:30 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Vetus Ordo - 11-16-2011, 05:49 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 06:02 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Jenn - 11-16-2011, 06:23 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-16-2011, 06:25 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 06:31 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 06:32 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-16-2011, 06:54 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-16-2011, 06:55 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Gris - 11-16-2011, 06:59 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-17-2011, 12:00 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-17-2011, 12:04 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-18-2011, 04:39 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-19-2011, 01:51 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-19-2011, 07:44 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Servire Deo - 11-19-2011, 07:56 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-19-2011, 08:26 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Scriptorium - 11-19-2011, 08:45 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Servire Deo - 11-19-2011, 08:48 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-21-2011, 01:55 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by LoneWolfRadTrad - 11-21-2011, 02:19 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-21-2011, 02:36 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by newyorkcatholic - 11-21-2011, 03:02 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Geremia - 11-21-2011, 04:09 PM
Re: Spousal Contraception Qs - by Mithrandylan - 11-21-2011, 04:19 PM



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