This is what obedience looks like
(12-05-2011, 12:54 AM)INPEFESS Wrote:
(12-04-2011, 10:47 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: The Church just put a new missal for the NO into effect. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon if ever in my lifetime.


Traditionalists seem to have forgotten what they're supposed to be fighting for. This isn't about a bit of Latin here, a few notes of chant there, or a puff of incense somewhere between. This is about the very definition of the reality of the Mass as taught by the Council of Trent: what makes the Mass a Catholic Mass. It is what separates the Catholic Mass (in all of its various rites across the world) from all the heretical liturgies of the enemies of the Church. This is a doctrine that the Novus Ordo liturgy, regardless of how many re-translations and reforms it undergoes, refuses to unambiguously profess. It is this core issue that is hardly ever discussed in tradition circles anymore. All that matters is preferential aesthetics these days, and traditional Catholics are caving in on all fronts. To them, the Mass is "Catholic" if it is aesthetically pleasing; and if you try to remind them of this problem, they label you a pessimist and a nay-sayer, one who refuses to give credit where credit is due, or even a Catholic with a schismatic mentality. But in reality it is they who do not understand what traditional Catholic is really about. They were attracted to traditional Catholicism because of the aesthetic appeal of the traditions of the Church; to them, that is what the fight for tradition is all about. But that is not what Abp. Lefebvre fought for.


This is what I am stating often on this forum when I state that the New Mass isn't truly a "Catholic Mass," in that it doesn't teach the true religion.  How can a rite of Mass be considered as truly Catholic if it doesn't teach the true Faith?  How can there merely be an "inferior" rite in this regard?

The statistics based upon the law Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi (the way we pray is the way we believe) simply PROVES that the New Mass doesn't teach the true religion.  Do you believe that, say in the mid 1800's, that 50% of professed Catholics didn't believe in the Real Presence?  Well that is the case today.  Why is that?  Because it is the Mass that teaches us our religion, it is the highest form of prayer - and the Novus Ordo Mass is the way that the vast majority of professed Catholics pray these days.  Remember, the way we pray is the way we believe.  When the Novus Ordo Mass is the way we pray, the way we believe shows through very clearly.  As Archbishop Lefebvre stated, the New Mass makes Protestants.  Why is that?  Because the New Mass teaches Protestantism.  Why is that?  Because the New Mass is a carbon-copy of an already condemned PROTESTANT heretical rite - it was fabricated by six Protestants and an alleged Freemason!

Like INPEFESS stated, it is not easy to accept these things - it is hard to grasp the answers to these questions, but they are right there for all of us to see, so whoever can accept them ought to accept them.  It also wasn't easy for the followers of Christ to believe that they must eat His Flesh and drink His Blood for salvation, and many left His side that day.

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Re: This is what obedience looks like - by Nic - 12-05-2011, 07:54 AM
Re: This is what obedience looks like - by maso - 12-05-2011, 08:30 AM
Re: This is what obedience looks like - by Nic - 12-06-2011, 05:28 PM
Re: This is what obedience looks like - by Nic - 12-06-2011, 10:40 PM

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