Robert Sungenis, Was God Behind the Ambiguities of Vatican II
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This is really an eye opener; I remember reading something regarding Ezekiel and the "statutes" passage related to what happened in Vatican II. It certanly is a mouth shutter to those who argue "how could the Church err at Vatican Council II if she is guided by the Holy Spirit", the answer: "well, in a way, yes". But this exegesis of Dr. Sungenis is really superb.

Something always intrigued me about the fact that God could permit such a horrible chastisement, what happens to the poor soul that was unable to find the TRUE doctrine in the midst of all this confusion, because their pastors were concerned with worldly secular humanist goals?... will these people go to hell? I, for one, don't think so, but then again, He is God, I'm just his creature, I don't know any better.
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(12-22-2011, 10:12 AM)Adam Wayne Wrote: Well here's the other thing. However misguided the "experts" were at Vatican II, one cannot say they were dumb. As you say, it is a slow return to Tradition.

Could it be possible that the modernists sensing a modern world, thought a modification of the Mass was the only way to save the Faith? I am not defending them, nor am I advocating it. I'm just asking the question. Did they see a Church dying in the modern age and that this was their recipie to save it?

I have always been the guy swimming against the stream. Where ever the crowd moves, I tend to go in the opposite direction. Well, that would be the majority of us here, in some degree or the other. Of course there will be differences in gradation due to age, personal experience, etc.

When our Lord asked, "when the Son of Man returns to earth, will he still find Faith?", I don't think He was just trying to fill up space in the Bible.

Hi Adam Wayne, Tim, et alii!     :)

Interesting reading!

Historically, one finds both the good and the bad throughout the history of the Church.  It did not begin just in the year 900 A.D. or 1000 A.D., etc.

And the evil is not limited to only matters of Catholic Dogma which has been attacked.  Witness the First Œcumenical Council, the First Council of Nicæa  [Saturday, June 20, 325 A.D. - Tuesday, August 25, 325 A.D.], convoked not by the Pope, but by the Roman Emperor Constantine I, a.k.a. Constantine the Great, a.k.a. C. Flavius Valerius Constantinus [b. at Naissus, now Nisch in Servia sometime between 274 A.D. - 288 A.D. - d. after being Baptized by the heretical Arian Bishop, Eusebius of Nicomedia, in Nicomedia at the Villa Aquilo in May, 337 A.D.]; Roman Emperor [proclaimed Caesar by his troops on Wednesday, July 25, 306 A.D. -  May, 337 A.D.] because he wanted to have peace in the Empire, ultimately not for any dogmatic reason(s).  Of course the condemnation of the Jewish Infiltrator Father Arius and his heresy of Arianism were condemned, but still persisted for almost a hundred years afterwards.

Other Councils were called to condemn various heresies as the Angelic Doctor observes:

Quote:The decisions of General Council do "not take away from a subsequent council the power of drawing up a new edition of the Symbol [of Faith], containing not indeed a new faith, but the same faith with greater explicitness. For every council has taken into account that a subsequent council would expound matters more fully than the preceding council, if this became necessary through some heresy arising" (Saint Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Part.II-II, Question 1, Article 10, Reply to Objection 2; emphasis added.)

Other pervasive evils, besides those against dogmas in the form of heresies, are found such as homosexuality in a variety of monasteries.

What is generally unknown among the Laity, is the perversion of Truth in the numerous forged and interpolated documents of Councils and Popes, the largest one group of these forged documents are known to history as the Forged Decretals, upon which various "doctrines" were based!

On edition was published by Franz Karl Paul Hinschius’ [b. in Berlin, Germany on Friday, December 25, 1835 - d. Tuesday, December 13, 1898] whose edition of the Decretals are available for download at:
http://www.archive.org/details/decretalespseudo00angi

The pdf version is at:
http://ia700501.us.archive.org/34/items/...00angi.pdf

Some of the heresies in these forgeries are still taken as "dogmas" today!

Of course, historically, there are many more forgeries, especially those fabricated by what historians call the "Gregorian Papal School of Forgers", etc., etc.

Also, as can be surmised from Saint Thomas' quote above, a subsequent General Council has "the power of drawing up a new edition of the Symbol [of Faith], containing not indeed a new faith, but the same faith with greater explicitness". 

But because V-2 did NOT teach "the same faith with greater explicitness", but a different faith taught by the anti-Catholic Infiltrators at V-2, including Communists, Freemasons, Illuminati, Satanists, etc., etc., this means that the bottom line is the proverbial "elephant in the room" that everyone seems to deliberately ignore or be in self-imposed denial thereof, namely, that the anti-Catholic Convention, a.k.a. V-2, instituted an anti-Church church filled with anti-Catholic Infiltrators with an anti-Catholic faith, anti-Catholic mass, and anti-Catholic sacraments! - even the names of the mass and sacraments were changed!

This means that it is no longer the Catholic Church!  The "church" of Synod Vatican 2, a.k.a. the Convention of the anti-Catholic Infiltrators, is an anti-Catholic Church!

It is past time to see the "elephant in the room"!

This was partly touched upon by Toby Westerman's article:

Quote:Infiltration of the Catholic Church?

July 28, 2003
By Toby Westerman
Copyright 2003 International News Analysis Today
www.inatoday.com

Clerical abuse against children, charges of Mafia-style cover-ups, and the destruction of Catholic moral teaching are tearing at the Catholic Church, and turning the 2,000 year-old faith into fodder for lowbrow comedy.

An affidavit recently obtained by INA Today attributes the Catholic Church's present state of collapse to a calculated attack beginning decades ago, with initial successes appearing in the 1960s.

The affidavit affirms that Communist Party organizer and high Party official, Bella Dodd, made public statements during the decade of the 1960s declaring that the Catholic priesthood was infiltrated by numerous Communist agents, whose mission was “to destroy the Catholic Church from within.”

Dodd later returned to the Catholic Church and published a book about her experiences, entitled School of Darkness (out of print at present).

“In the late 1920's and 1930's, directives were sent from Moscow to all Communist Party organizations. In order to destroy the Catholic Church from within, party members were to be planted in seminaries and within diocesan organizations,” Dodd stated according to the affidavit.

“I, myself, put some 1,200 men in Catholic seminaries,” Dodd publicly declared.

Dodd did not include these remarks concerning her activities directed against the Catholic Church in her book, which was first published in 1954, leading some to question whether the remarks were actually made.

In an exclusive interview with INA Today, Catholic philosopher Dr. Alice von Hildebrand confirmed that Dodd had made the remarks, and provided the affidavit from Paul and Johnine Leininger, who witnessed Dodd making the public statements.

When contacted by INA Today, Mrs. Johnine Leininger stated that there were others who could also verify that Dodd made the statements regarding infiltration into Catholic seminaries.

Dr. von Hildebrand told INA Today that Dodd had earlier refrained from detailing Communist efforts to undermine the Catholic priesthood at the request of Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen, the individual responsible for bringing Dodd back into the Church.

Dodd's infiltrators would have reached their highest positions of power and influence in the early to mid-60's, the period which saw the initial doctrinal and moral collapse within the Catholic Church.

The process of Communist infiltration into Catholic seminaries, which Dodd described in her public talks, would have been part of a larger plan called “Outstretched Hand.”

Communist Party archives in Moscow confirm the existence of operation “Outstretched Hand,” and define its goals, according to Herbert Romerstein, author of the seminal work on Soviet espionage in the United States before, during, and after WWII, “The Venona Secrets.”

At least one Soviet agent directly involved in “Outstretched Hand” is identifiable.

One document in Moscow's Soviet archives reveals that the Communist Party had infiltrated several influential Catholic organizations, including the Holy Name Society, the largest parish-oriented Catholic men's group, which is devoted to increasing reverence for the name of God and to good works in the Church and in society in general. A Holy Name Society chapter exists in almost every Catholic parish in the U.S.

The same document acknowledged the existence of a certain “Party comrade,” who was “well known” in “conservative Irish Catholic circles” and who held offices “in various Catholic organizations…”

The “Party comrade” operated in a key parish which provided “leadership” and shaped “the policies of most of the reactionary and anti-Communist campaigns that are now developing in the Catholic world,” according to the Soviet file.

Romerstein also recounts in The Venona Secrets that the staff of the Catholic anti-Communist publication entitled Wisdom, produced by a priest of the Paulist order, was infiltrated, and unknowingly employed two Communist agents in influential positions.

The Party boasted that one of their agents was “widely known to be a conservative in Irish circles,” and was a staff correspondent for Wisdom. Romerstein identified the Party member and Soviet agent as Jeremiah F. O'Carroll, who, in 1930, was the president of the Irish Emergency Relief organization.

Although O'Carroll was identified as a spy in 1938, he remained listed as a staff correspondent for Wisdom at least until March 1939.

The second Soviet agent who worked for Wisdom remains unknown to this day.

The most recent - and notorious - incident of hostile infiltration into the U.S. Catholic Church is that of veteran FBI agent and convicted spy, Robert Hanssen. While placing his nation in mortal danger through his espionage activities, Hanssen also was believed to be a fervent Catholic.

Hanssen led a double life of betrayal, while serving as a spy for both the Soviet and “reformed” regimes in Moscow.

Although the precise extent of Communist infiltration of which Dodd spoke remains unknown, the effects are recognizable. Today, traditional Catholic beliefs, practices, and morality are not merely questioned, but are denounced and scorned by many of those who should protect and profess Church doctrine.

Mrs. Leininger, who confirmed Dodd's statements, told INA Today that she knows of several priests who faithfully taught the Catholic religion until they became bishops or were promoted to other influential posts, and then immediately exhibited hostility to that same faith which they had previously professed.

Leininger described these priests as “sleepers,” a term designating individuals or groups who carry out their espionage function only at a selected time. Before becoming active, the “sleeper” will refrain from any espionage or subversive functions.

Dodd's infiltrators -- those who lost or never actually held the Catholic faith -- would have been the mentors of the present generation of Catholic priests and bishops, in effect conducting their own “School of Darkness.”   (Op. Cit.; emphasis added.)

But this does NOT mean Catholics should give up.

Remember how the Father of Orthodoxy in the Catholic Church tried to encourage his flock in his days of persecution, when the cabal of anti-Catholic Infiltrators and Arian Heretics, took over and destroyed a large part of the Catholic Church, where he writes in part:

Quote:“May God console you! ... What saddens you ... is the fact that others have occupied the Churches by violence, while during this time you are on the outside. It is a fact that they have the premises -- but you have the Apostolic Faith. They [the heretics and apostates] can occupy our churches, but they are outside the True Faith. You remain outside the places of worship, but the faith dwells within you. Let us consider: what is more important, the place or the faith? The true faith, obviously. Who has lost and who has won in this struggle -- the one who keeps the premises or the one who keeps the Faith?

“True, the premises are good when the Apostolic Faith is preached there; they are Holy if everything takes place there in a Holy way ...

“You are the ones who are happy; you who remain within the [Catholic] Church by your Faith, who hold firmly to the foundations of the Faith which has come down to you from Apostolic Tradition, and if an execrable jealously has tried to shake it in a number of occasions, it has not succeeded. They are the ones who have broken away from it in the present crisis.

“No one, ever, will prevail against your Faith, beloved brothers, and We believe that God will give us our Churches back some day.

“Thus, the more violently they try to occupy the places of worship, the more they separate themselves from the [Catholic] Church. They claim that they represent the Church but in reality they are the ones who are expelling themselves from it and going astray.

“Even if Catholics faithful to Tradition are reduced to a handful, they are the ones who are the true Church of Jesus Christ. (Patriarch Saint Athanasius [b. Alexandria, Egypt 296 A.D. - d. Alexandria, Egypt on Wednesday, May 2, 373A.D.], Patriarch of Alexandria, Egypt, Father of Orthodoxy in the Catholic Church, Coll. Selecta SS. Eccl. Patrum. Caillu and Guillou, Volume 32, pp 411-412).”

This is NOT the time for Catholics to give up, but to have the courage of continued Faith, Hope, Trust, and Confidence in God, praying to Him for His Divine Intervention!

Just as God did in fact restore the Catholic Faith, despite the attacks against it by the likes of the anti-Catholic Infiltrators in previous centuries, e.g. the Zionist Jew Father Arius, et alii, God overcame their evil and the Church become even more glorious and more resplendent that it had been!  God can, and God will, do the same for we Catholics today!

IT WILL HAPPEN!  GOD WILL DESTROY HIS ENEMIES WHO TOOK OVER HIS CHURCH - BUT ONLY TEMPORARILY BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE A LIMITED TIME SET BY GOD - BECAUSE GOD WILL CONQUER THEM!!!

In my opinion, after this present persecution by all of the anti-Catholic Infiltrators, the Catholic Church will reign once again, but even much more glorious and more resplendent than it had been before it was taken over by the cabal of anti-Catholics at their anti-Catholic Convention of anti-Catholic Infiltrators - called Synod Vatican 2, all of the documents of which should be burned along with all of their missals, rituals, pontificales, vestments, catechisms, canon law, etc., etc.

NEVER GIVE UP HOPE!  PRAY FOR DIVINE INTERVENTION!  ONLY GOD CAN TOTALLY DESTROY THE EVIL ANTI-CATHOLIC INFILTRATORS AND ALL OF THEIR SATANIC WORKS!

At Fatima Our Blessed Mother promised that "In the end, my Immaculate Heart will Triumph.  Russia will be converted....."

The "annihilation" of certain nations could possibly mean not a physical "annihilation", but a moral or Spiritual or Religious "annihilation"?

Anything other than this is a denial of what happened at the Convention of anti-Catholic Infiltrators, a.k.a. Synod Vatican 2. 

Thanks for reading!   :)

God Bless You!   :pray:

A Catholic Catholic  -  Father Jim
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Father Jim, A Catholic Catholic, thanks, and I hold to what Our Lady said to S. Lucia at Fatima.

As a layman, I do not condemn the Clerics, as I have no standing to do so. Yet, I'm aware of Dodd, the infiltration by the Masons, which has been exposed in SiSi, NoNo, and the Roberto Calvi papers and other sources. I'm also aware that agents have infiltrated from the Polish communists, and the embarassment which it has caused Pope Benedict when he appointed one a Cardinal. Coming from Chicago I'm aware of the revolutionary work of Saul Alinsky and Msgr. Egan in the forties, fifties, and sixties, and the growing of those socialist organizations of priests and lay people we now see. I'm also aware of the Gay element called the "Lavendar Mafia" by Fr. Andrew Greeley in the Sun Times, that have infiltrated Chanceries every where. And Fr. Greeley's subsequent ignoring of Cardinal Geoge's request to name them, telling Cardinal George they'd kill him. There is more, so much more.

I hold to what I know about Fatima, and the vision of Pope Leo XIII. I was a fallen away catholic for decades, but my training came from the Baltimore Catechism, the good Sisters and Priests before Vatican II, which makes me not overly educated. I hold to that, and keep the Catholic Faith as I received it before the Vatican II. I trust that my devotion to Our Lady as She laid out at Fatima, will bring me graces to stay out of greivous sin, if I co-operate. I trust the Holy Ghost who builds on what is there, namely my small training before the Catalysm, will keep me from falling into heresy, if I keep my nose where it belongs. Further I believe it is a danger for most laymen in the Trad community to wander into subjects and areas way over their heads and then take a position based on their prideful intellect, and their understanding of it, with out having been taught by authority.

In short we are cursed from the Garden, and God Almighty has set severe limits on our intelligence, but none whatsoever on our stupidity. And to the original post's thesis, I agree. I have long thought that something like that is what happened. My reciting of the Divine  Office has opened my eyes. Many, many times in the Psalms, I become aware of the similarity between the Church and Israel and the punishment for their fornications.
It would follow that God's Justice would require the same for us. 

tim

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(01-04-2012, 05:03 PM)Tim Wrote: Father Jim, A Catholic Catholic, thanks, and I hold to what Our Lady said to S. Lucia at Fatima.

As a layman, I do not condemn the Clerics, as I have no standing to do so. Yet, I'm aware of Dodd, the infiltration by the Masons, which has been exposed in SiSi, NoNo, and the Roberto Calvi papers and other sources. I'm also aware that agents have infiltrated from the Polish communists, and the embarassment which it has caused Pope Benedict when he appointed one a Cardinal. Coming from Chicago I'm aware of the revolutionary work of Saul Alinsky and Msgr. Egan in the forties, fifties, and sixties, and the growing of those socialist organizations of priests and lay people we now see. I'm also aware of the Gay element called the "Lavendar Mafia" by Fr. Andrew Greeley in the Sun Times, that have infiltrated Chanceries every where. And Fr. Greeley's subsequent ignoring of Cardinal Geoge's request to name them, telling Cardinal George they'd kill him. There is more, so much more.

I hold to what I know about Fatima, and the vision of Pope Leo XIII. I was a fallen away catholic for decades, but my training came from the Baltimore Catechism, the good Sisters and Priests before Vatican II, which makes me not overly educated. I hold to that, and keep the Catholic Faith as I received it before the Vatican II. I trust that my devotion to Our Lady as She laid out at Fatima, will bring me graces to stay out of greivous sin, if I co-operate. I trust the Holy Ghost who builds on what is there, namely my small training before the Catalysm, will keep me from falling into heresy, if I keep my nose where it belongs. Further I believe it is a danger for most laymen in the Trad community to wander into subjects and areas way over their heads and then take a position based on their prideful intellect, and their understanding of it, with out having been taught by authority.

In short we are cursed from the Garden, and God Almighty has set severe limits on our intelligence, but none whatsoever on our stupidity. And to the original post's thesis, I agree. I have long thought that something like that is what happened. My reciting of the Divine  Office has opened my eyes. Many, many times in the Psalms, I become aware of the similarity between the Church and Israel and the punishment for their fornications.
It would follow that God's Justice would require the same for us. 

tim

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Monday, March 19, 2012
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Hi Tim!   :)

First, my apologies at not responding to your message before now.

I have been unable to access Fish Eaters for several weeks.  I thought it was "out of business" due to lack of money?

Apparently the web site was not available to anyone?  Before retiring for the night, I thought I would give it a try one last time and - surprise, surprise!!!    :)

Thank you so much for your most welcomed post and insightful observations along with some background information as well!

You are wise and prudent to stay with the Traditional, unchanged, Baltimore Catechism.  After all, as Saint Paul warns all of us, it is futile to learn error, but, sadly, there are many who have taken to error just like certain farm animals at the feeding trough who can never seem to get enough, because they are

Quote:“ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the Truth” (2 Timothy 3:7).

There are those who claim that Our Blessed Mother promised that one day she would save the world with her Rosary and her Brown Scapular.

The Rosary and the Brown Scapular are certainly a major part of God's Peace Plan which Our Blessed Mother gave all Catholics at Fatima.

As for the Clergy, Canon Law, before the 1917 Code was changed, required the Clergy to take the Profession of Faith and the Oath Against Modernism.  The 1917 Code was very specific about who exactly was required to take these two Solemn Oaths.

It should be remembered that those who break an Oath commit the Mortal Sin of Perjury. 

From what I observed at V-2, with some exceptions, most of those attending, and very definitely all of those in charge of, Synod Vatican 2, were Perjured Liars, not to mention automatically excommunicated Modernist Heretics in virtue of the Motu Proprio of His Holiness, Pope Saint Pius X, Præstantia Scripturæ Sacræ, Monday, November 18, 1907 in which he states in part:

Quote:Moreover, in order to check the daily increasing audacity of many modernists who are endeavoring by all kinds of sophistry and devices to detract from the force and efficacy not only of the decree “Lamentabili sane exitu” (the so-called Syllabus), issued by Our order by the Holy Roman and Universal Inquisition on July 3 of the present year, but also of Our encyclical letters “Pascendi Dominici Gregis” given on September 8 of this same year, We do by Our Apostolic Authority repeat and confirm both that decree of the Supreme Sacred Congregation and those encyclical letters of ours, adding the penalty of excommunication against their contradictors, and this We declare and decree that should anybody, which may God forbid, be so rash as to defend any one of the propositions, opinions or teachings condemned in these documents he falls, ipso facto, under the censure contained under the chapter “Docentes” of the constitution “Apostolicae Sedis,” which is the first among the excommunications latae sententiae [automatic excommunication], simply reserved to the Roman Pontiff. This excommunication is to be understood as salvis poenis, which may be incurred by those who have violated in any way the said documents, as propagators and defenders of heresies, when their propositions, opinions and teachings are heretical, as has happened more than once in the case of the adversaries of both these documents, especially when they advocate the errors of the Modernists that is, the synthesis of all heresies.

Especially when they advocate the errors of the Modernists that is, the synthesis of all heresies is exactly what happened at Synod V-2.

The fact that some of them were also anti-Catholic Infiltrators did not help matters either.

Your position that

Quote:Further I believe it is a danger for most laymen in the Trad community to wander into subjects and areas way over their heads and then take a position based on their prideful intellect, and their understanding of it, with out having been taught by authority.

would be wise and prudent for the Laity to follow when even many Clergy, with some exceptions, they way they are mis-trained today likewise wander into subjects and areas way over their heads and then take a position based on their prideful intellect, or the totally blind "leading" those who are partially blind, at best.

However, I respectfully disagree concerning the subject of authority, especially within the context of today, as I remember the teaching of one of the Fathers of the Church, also on the subject of authority:

Quote:What if that (Church) authority commands what you ought not to do?  In this event, by all means, disregard that authority...God is the greater authority...In such a dilemma you must at once assume “the shield of faith, wherewith you may be able to extinguish all of the fiery darts of the most wicked one” (Ephes. 6:16).  Saint Augustine, a.k.a. Aurelius Augustinus [b. Tagaste, Africa, Saturday, November 13, 354 A.D. - d. Hippo Regia, Africa, Wednesday, August 28, 430 A.D.], Bishop of Hippo Regia, Father and Doctor of the Catholic Church, the Doctor of Grace, c.97, C. xi, question 3.)

In this same sense does the Angelic Doctor write that:

Quote:When there is a proximate danger for the faith, prelates must be questioned even publicly by their subjects.  (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., [b. 1225 A.D. in Rocca Secca, Naples, Italy - d. Wednesday, March 7, 1274 A.D., in Fossa Nuova, Italy], Doctor of the Church, Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 33, Article 4, Reply to Objection 2).

Your writing in part

Quote:Further I believe it is a danger for most laymen in the Trad community to wander into subjects and areas way over their heads and then take a position based on their prideful intellect, and their understanding of it, with out having been taught by authority. [emphasis added]

likewise reminded me of something the Angelic Doctor wrote which is actually very similar to your own expression!

Quote:Prefer to arrive at knowledge over small streamlets, and do not plunge immediately into the ocean, since progress must go from the easier to the more difficult....  Do not heed by whom a thing is said, but rather what is said.  Make an effort thoroughly to understand whatever you read and hear.  In all doubt seek to penetrate to the Truth.  Try always to store away as much as possible in the chambers of your mind.  What is too far above strive not after for the present.  If so be you follow these directions you will produce useful flowers and fruits in the vineyard of the Lord of hosts, as long as you live  (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., “Letter to Brother John”).

Tim, it seems to me that your praying has given you some wonderful insights, or as you put it:

Quote:My reciting of the Divine Office has opened my eyes. Many, many times in the Psalms, I become aware of the similarity between the Church and Israel and the punishment for their fornications.It would follow that God's Justice would require the same for us. 

Long before coming to Fatima, Our Blessed Mother, filled with the Holy Ghost, uttered her famous "Magnificat":

Quote:46   My Soul doth magnify the Lord.
47   And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48   Because He hath regarded the humility of His handmaid; for behold from henceforth all generations shall call me Blessed.
49   Because He that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and Holy is His name.
50   And His mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear Him.
51   He hath shewed might in His arm:  He hath scattered the proud in the conceit of their heart.
52   He hath put down the mighty from their seat, and hath exalted the humble.
53   He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich He hath sent empty away.
54   He hath received Israel His servant, being mindful of His mercy:
55   As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His seed for ever.  (Luke 1:46-55; emphasis added).

Humility, Meekness, and Docility are all requirements to be able to become lovers of the Truth. 

Now, because God is Truth (Saint Thomas Aquinas, O.P., Summa Theologica, Part I, Question 16, Article 5; Summa Theologica, Part II-II, Question 93, Article 2, Reply to Objection 2. Summa Contra Gentiles, Book I, Chapter 60), it logically follows that in order to become a lover of the Truth, one must first love God for it is in loving God that one loves the Truth.

But the terrible Truth is that God actually condemns those who are not lovers of the Truth to believe the lies of liars:

Quote:Because they receive not the love of the Truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

IF I remember correctly, Saint Augustine observed that Solomon, having knowledge, asked God for Wisdom, but Our Blessed Mother, having Wisdom, asked for the love of God.  Thus the acme of Wisdom seeks the love of God.

So, Tim, your admirable devotion of daily reciting the Divine Office has opened my eyes. because by doing this your heart was filled by the Word of God and in this process, whether knowingly or unknowingly, you became more and more humble, more and more meek, more and more docile to the inspirations of God the Holy Ghost and began to grow more and more in the love of God from which springs forth your love of the Truth which is why you were taught so well to write the same Truth as Saint Thomas Aquinas expressed as explained above!

And so you have chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from you which is why you can see things more clearly than some others.

Some years ago, I remember reading about a certain Priest (I no longer remember his name, although it might have been the Holy Cure of Ars?), who observed a man who came to his morning Mass rather frequently and then remained after the others had left.  One day the Priest asked this man what he did after Mass which, to all appearances, the man was just sitting, doing nothing - not even using a prayerbook from which to recite some prayers.  The man looked at the Priest and told him in words to this effect: I look at Jesus in the Tabernacle and He looks at me.

Fortunately for the Laity today, you do not need to be present before the Blessed Sacrament
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Quote:[1] Upon the rivers of Babylon, there we sat and wept: when we remembered Sion: [2] On the willows in the midst thereof we hung up our instruments. [3] For there they that led us into captivity required of us the words of songs. And they that carried us away, said: Sing ye to us a hymn of the songs of Sion. [4] How shall we sing the song of the Lord in a strange land? [5] If I forget thee, O Jerusalem, let my right hand be forgotten.

[6] Let my tongue cleave to my jaws, if I do not remember thee: If I make not Jerusalem the beginning of my joy. [7] Remember, O Lord, the children of Edom, in the day of Jerusalem: Who say: Rase it, rase it, even to the foundation thereof. [8] O daughter of Babylon, miserable: blessed shall he be who shall repay thee thy payment which thou hast paid us. [9] Blessed be he that shall take and dash thy little ones against the rock.

Perhaps this is more than a strange coincidence.

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Father Jim, howdy, and thanks very much for the direction. This is just an aside, and there are no coincidences, but a little way back in thread which touched on being Catholic and practicing the faith, I mentioned the Magnificat as containing much of what we need to know. I often think how wise the Church is to include it every night at Vespers. I also love the Canticle of Zacariah at Lauds, and I miss the Nunc dimmittis because I recite the Benedictine Monastic Office, usually. St. Benedict must have thought the Psalms and their repetition was integral to holiness. His schema can bring one to 279 psalms a week. It is the repetition which drives in the understanding.

Father Jim, I started to write further but after thinking it through I abandoned it. It would have exposed me way too much on the internet. If you don't mind I'll pm you and give you a way to get in touch. I have some further questions and it would be too biographical to post in this forum.
Let me know if you have time and are so inclined.

until then,
tim
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Quote:A Catholic Catholic  -  Father Jim

Thanks for that.  I will take a look at those links.
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Bl. Pokemon, maybe I'm not seeing it but what is the correlation between the psalm and the map. And that psalm is one of my faves.

tim
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(03-19-2012, 09:13 AM)Tim Wrote: Father Jim, howdy, and thanks very much for the direction. This is just an aside, and there are no coincidences, but a little way back in thread which touched on being Catholic and practicing the faith, I mentioned the Magnificat as containing much of what we need to know. I often think how wise the Church is to include it every night at Vespers. I also love the Canticle of Zacariah at Lauds, and I miss the Nunc dimmittis because I recite the Benedictine Monastic Office, usually. St. Benedict must have thought the Psalms and their repetition was integral to holiness. His schema can bring one to 279 psalms a week. It is the repetition which drives in the understanding.

Father Jim, I started to write further but after thinking it through I abandoned it. It would have exposed me way too much on the internet. If you don't mind I'll pm you and give you a way to get in touch. I have some further questions and it would be too biographical to post in this forum.
Let me know if you have time and are so inclined.

until then,
tim

Feast Day of Saint Joseph
March 19, 2012

Hi Tim!    :)

Thank you so much for your quick response!  Although I am trying to catch up on a virtual "mountain" of Pastoral work at my place, I got the message to get back on this thread on Fish Eaters and I am happy that I did and now I know why!

Yes, you may send me a message to provide me a way to get in touch with you directly.  This is something I have never done before, but I am making this extremely rare exception in your case because I am being guided to do so.  I look forward to your message.

As of right now (i.e. - absent a computer malfunction, or a sick call, or an earthquake, or something similar to prevent me from so doing), I plan to check my messages sometime tonight or, at the latest, early tomorrow morning before I retire for the night.

God Bless You!  :pray:

A Catholic Catholic  -  Father Jim
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(03-19-2012, 11:27 AM)Tim Wrote: Bl. Pokemon, maybe I'm not seeing it but what is the correlation between the psalm and the map. And that psalm is one of my faves.

tim

The black cross in the red circle is the location of Econe.  It has always struck me as very symbolic that it should be located so close to the town of Sion.
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