Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada
(12-29-2011, 05:01 PM)Scriptorium Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 04:41 PM)Stubborn Wrote: Yes, just one..........from Trent:
If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

Does Trent declare water is a necessity or does it only not mean it?

Context: Protestants denying the need of water baptism. As for the saying of our Lord, did God contradict Himself? "Charity covereth a multitude of sins?"

Council of Trent declares: "The Council further teaches that, though contrition may sometimes be made perfect by charity and may reconcile men to God before the actual reception of this sacrament, still the reconciliation is not to be ascribed to the contrition apart from the desire for the sacrament which it includes."

No disagreement from me here.

(12-29-2011, 05:01 PM)Scriptorium Wrote: The requirements of the sacraments are only operative to those who can receive them. Basic principle. For example, a man living out in timbucktoo does not sin for missing Mass. But our Lord said that the Eucharist is required for salvation! Clearly the continuous tradition of the Church is that the requirements of salvation relating to the material world are required when they are able to be procured.

You are taking the position of a legalist, that what really matters is the material act. We can't deny the material act, but we there is no punishment for the impossible. Ah! All things are possible with God, therefore either the material aspect of the sacrament is supplied in some way, or the grace is given without the impossible material act.

Not true. I am not taking any legalist position, I am merely pointing out the obvious IMO.

Missing mass is is a sin unless it cannot be helped. There is no such proviso with regards to salvation - IF YOU USE infallibly defined dogma. Per dogma infallibly defined, the teachings are quite clear that the sacrament is necessary for salvation.
IF YOU USE teachings of the OM then there is the proviso of BOD.

The two teachings contradict - it is that simple. If not, please show some definitive teaching that agrees with BOD.

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