Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada
(12-29-2011, 06:52 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 06:49 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 06:44 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 06:37 PM)Stubborn Wrote: I've read it. Trent says what it says even if no one wants to believe it - it is you who have explaining to do - or is it Trent who owes obedience to St. Thomas? If not, then the burden of proof is on you to explain how St. Thomas does not contradict Trent.

The Fathers of Trent taught BoD in the style of St. Thomas, in the Catechism which they promulgated.  This is why context is important rather than proof-texting, as you are trying to do.  I put more stock in St. Robert Bellarmine's basic reading comprehension than in yours.  Trent simply isn't saying what you are trying to make it say, no matter how clear you think it might be.

You can make all the unsubstantiated claims you want, but what you have not done is show how BOD does not contradict Trent.

How does it contradict?  Saying that there is a contradiction over and over again is not a proof, either.  St. Thomas and the other Doctors affirm precisely what the Council teaches, but also that desire can suffice for salvation.  Which the Tridentine Fathers also affirmed.

How does it contradict?

Did you not read the canon?................. If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

St. Thomas says water is not a necessity - how do say he does not contradict Trent?

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