Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada
(12-29-2011, 09:37 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:30 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:24 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 08:49 PM)Jenn Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 08:45 PM)Parmandur Wrote: Sure, and it has also made it clear that desire for the Sacraments, explicit and implicit, have potentially salvific value.  That Modernists use this as a wedge for indifferentism does not change that this is the case.

The Church cannot make clear that the "desire" for the sacraments suffices without contradicting her own infallible statements to the contrary.

Even though Trent did define just such, as Scriptorum just pointed out?  :eyeroll:

Proof-texting and misinterpreting Trent does not prove your point.  The doctrine it teaches is the Thomistic one, the one which comes from the Fathers of the Church and is upheld by the Magisterium - that there are three Baptisms, of water, desire and blood.  If you think Trent denies this, you are reading it wrong.  It's not that we can't provide evidence that reconciles these things - they are already reconciled.  There is no problem.

Trent defined what with that canon? That not only are the Sacraments necessary for salvation - (BOD is not a Sacrament) but the "desire" can put one in the state of grace - since when does that equate to defining salvation via BOD?

So there are 3 Baptisms now? What about Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Again, I ask for non-contradictory teachings.

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Re: Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada - by Stubborn - 12-29-2011, 09:42 PM

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