Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada
(12-29-2011, 09:45 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:42 PM)Parmandur Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:38 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:32 PM)Scriptorium Wrote:
(12-29-2011, 09:30 PM)Stubborn Wrote: Trent defined what with that canon? That not only are the Sacraments necessary for salvation - (BOD is not a Sacrament) but the "desire" can put one in the state of grace - since when does that equate to defining salvation via BOD?

Ah, the old aut = and theory. Can't be helped. I'm done. +PAX

It says what it says.

Sure; it says that the Sacrament or the desire for the sacrament are necessary for salvation.  The state of grace = salvation, as grasshopper points out.  True desire for penance or baptism or the Eucharist can stand in for the full sacrament.  This is Church teaching, of the highest authority.  

FYI, the state of grace does not = salvation.
Lucifer was once in the state of grace.

There is no mention of salvation via any desire anywhere in any authoritative church teaching - including the one you are misinterpreting.

However, dying in the state of grace does equal salvation. That's implicit in the very meaning of "state of grace". And baptism of desire is only relevant in the case of imminent death. It doesn't mean you can blithely go through your whole life never intending to be baptized, and nobody here is pretending that it does mean that. It has very limited applicability. But that doesn't mean it doesn't exist at all.

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Re: Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada - by Grasshopper - 12-29-2011, 09:54 PM

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