12-31-2011, 03:21 PM
(12-31-2011, 03:10 PM)SouthpawLink Wrote: Stubborn,
The Sacrament of Baptism is not superfluous, nor have I implied that it is. You continually assert that the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium contradicts Trent, but you have yet to prove that, aside from your own -- and supported by no theologian (nor Pontiff) of note -- interpretation of Trent's canons. It's you "contra mundum." A contradiction that is so clear to you is no such contradiction to ages of highly-educated priests, among whose ranks include saints, Pontiffs and Doctors.
Prove it?
Trent declares water, true water - "true and natural water" is necessary. This we absolutely are bound to believe and even die for if need be. That water is defined as a necessity there can be no argument. If there is then I guess I don't know what else to say - other than you're in denial.
Catechisms and some members of the OM state water is not a necessity - how can you possibly say the catechisms and OM do not contradict Trent? How? What is it are you thinking? It simply cannot get any more obvious.