Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada
(12-31-2011, 07:46 PM)jordanawef Wrote:
(12-31-2011, 07:19 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(12-31-2011, 07:06 PM)jordanawef Wrote: Does that make sense to you why you would not find it that section, Chapter II "Sacrament of Baptism?"  Because it is not a Sacrament?  Do you understand that?  Baptism of desire can not be strictly called a Sacrament.

The Desire for Baptism is Not a Sacrament.  Baptism is a Sacrament.

Of course that makes sense to me. It also agrees with Trent and with Our Lord when the good St. says without it, no one can enter heaven.

Does that make sense to you?

It certainly does, which is why I said it.  Samewise, Baptism of Desire and Blood is held in a quasi-moral unity with Sacramental Baptism as Saints have noted, Fathers have noted, and, Theologians, Popes, and Doctors.  How this all works out in greater detail, is irrelevant, for you, who is seemingly unwilling to submit to the basic premises of the situation.  Now, it is not up to you to clarify it, extrapolate upon it, or pronounce upon it, or reform it.  What you need to is to with docility submit to what the Church teaches concerning in it, in its entirety, and no more or no less, in the basic Catechism.

See, that is where you blind yourself. You are so bent in favor of salvation through BOD that you read what is not written in the catechism. Read Trent's catechism and tell me that it rewards salvation via BOD and I will tell you you are wrong - because you are - no matter how many times you try to convince me it says something that it does not say.

(12-31-2011, 07:46 PM)jordanawef Wrote: Have it in the Catechism of Trent, or Baltimore, or Gasparri, or Pius X, it doesn't matter.

Far as I know, there are two, maybe three different teachings on BOD between the catechisms of Trent, Baltimore and CCC.

(12-31-2011, 07:46 PM)jordanawef Wrote: Moreover, as I have said on this forum before, Scripture is not written in mathematically precise language.  I have several books on such protestant seeming apparent contradictions.  Will you submit to those too?

You know what St. Alphonsus teaches on this stubborn as you have admitted it before.  You hold that St. Alphonsus was overlooking this, and was in contradiction to himself, and the Church in following St. Alphonsus' Formulation and direct commentary on Trent on this matter.  For this, I have no salve.  You will remain, stubborn.

That St. Alphonsus contradicted himself is obvious. Why people deny it is not. He's my favorite patron saint, even before my own patron, yet he was human - why deny that he was capable of making human mistakes same as you, same as me. His mistake or mine is not the issue - get back on track and start by admitting that BOD and Baptism with water are two completely different baptisms.

That is the first and most obvious thing no BOD supporter has admitted to in +20 pages.

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Re: Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada - by Stubborn - 12-31-2011, 08:01 PM

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