Baptism of Desire and Theological Principles by Fr. Cekada
(01-01-2012, 06:38 PM)Stubborn Wrote:
(01-01-2012, 01:42 PM)moneil Wrote: I’m still wondering if anyone can give an example of a post Trent / pre Vatican II approved catechism that DOES NOT teach BOD/BOB?

Here's one (PDF) from 1958
The Penny Catechism

The only thing that it remotely teaches about any desire is................

252. Ought we to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments?

We ought to have a great desire to receive the Sacraments, because they are the chief means of our salvation.

261. Is Baptism necessary for salvation?

Baptism is necessary for salvation because Christ has said: 'Unless a man is born again through water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God'. (John 3:5)

Thank you Stubborn for the citation and link.  Quoting G. K. Chesterton it appears to indeed be a “marvelous compendium of Christian wisdom.” It also appears to be a simple or very basic catechism, perhaps as was used to prepare young children for their First Holy Communion.  With less than 100 pages in a 3-1/2” x 6” format, there are a lot of truths of the Faith it doesn’t contain.

While doing a quick search I ran across yet another catechism, The Douay Catechism of 1649 by Henry Tuberville, D.D. http://www.traditionalcatholic.net/Tradition/Information/The_Douay_Catechism/index.html
Quote:Q. Can a man be saved without baptism?
A. He cannot, unless he have it either actual or in desire, with contrition, or to be baptized in his blood as the holy Innocents were, which suffered for Christ.

Q. What if a man die for the faith, before he can be baptized?
A. He is a true martyr, and baptized in his own blood.

Leaving aside the The Roman Catechism (upon which all subsequent catechisms for the laity were based) as it’s English translations does not contain the phrases Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood I must add the above cited The Douay Catechism to my list:

The Catechism of St. Pius X http://www.ewtn.com/library/catechsm/piusxcat.htm
Quote:16 Q. Is Baptism necessary to salvation?
A. Baptism is absolutely necessary to salvation, for our Lord has expressly said: "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God."
17 Q. Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
A. The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.

The Baltimore Catechism Number 1 http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/balt/balt01.htm
Quote:157. Q. How many kinds of Baptism are there?
A. There are three kinds of Baptism: Baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.

158. Q. What is Baptism of water?
A. Baptism of water is that which is given by pouring water on the head of the person to be baptized, and saying at the same time: I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

159. Q. What is Baptism of desire?
A. Baptism of desire is an ardent wish to receive Baptism, and to do all that God has ordained for our salvation.

160. Q. What is Baptism of blood?
A. Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood for the faith of Christ.

161. Q. Is Baptism of desire or of blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water?
A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water.


The Baltimore Catechism Number 2 http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/faith/bc2.htm
Same text and questions numbers as Baltimore Catechism Number 1

The Baltimore Catechism Number 3 http://www.baltimore-catechism.com

Quote:Q. 644. How many kinds of Baptism are there?
A. There are three kinds of Baptism: 1.Baptism of water, of desire, and of blood.

Q. 650. What is Baptism of desire?
A. Baptism of desire is an ardent wish to receive Baptism, and to do all that God has ordained for our salvation.

Q. 651. What is Baptism of blood?
A. Baptism of blood is the shedding of one's blood for the faith of Christ.

Q. 652. What is the baptism of blood most commonly called?
A. The baptism of blood is most commonly called martyrdom, and those who receive it are called martyrs. It is the death one patiently suffers from the enemies of our religion, rather than give up Catholic faith or virtue. We must not seek martyrdom, though we must endure it when it comes.

Q. 653. Is Baptism of desire or of blood sufficient to produce the effects of Baptism of water?
A. Baptism of desire or of blood is sufficient to produce the effects of the Baptism of water, if it is impossible to receive the Baptism of water.

Q. 654. How do we know that the baptism of desire or of blood will save us when it is impossible to receive the baptism of water?
A. We know that baptism of desire or of blood will save us when it is impossible to receive the baptism of water, from Holy Scripture, which teaches that love of God and perfect contrition can secure the remission of sins ; and also that Our Lord promises salvation to those who lay down their life for His sake or for His teaching.

Faith of Our Fathers (Cardinal Gibbons) http://books.google.com/books?id=hr0ZP4bC3mMC&source=gbs_book_other_versions
Pages 310 – 311.

Father Smith Instructs Jackson http://books.google.com/books/about/Father_Smith_Instructs_Jackson.html?id=HdNTggUWV8AC
Page 143

The Faith of Millions … The Credentials of the Catholic Religion by Fr. John A. O’Brien http://books.google.com/books/about/The_faith_of_millions.html?id=O-kj_LncEjAC
Page 154

These catechisms all carry ecclesiastical approbation and one was compiled by a Pope who is also a canonized saint.

The Baltimore Catechism was the de facto standard Catholic school text in the United States from 1885 to the late 1960s.

I don’t know when my copy of Cardinal Gibbon’s catechism (Being a Plain Exposition and Vindication of the Church Founded by Our Lord Jesus Christ) was printed, but it is the 110th Edition with over two million copies distributed.

Father Smith Instructs Jackson [url] was written by Archbishop John Francis Noll (1875-1956) who had a significant impact on Catholic publishing during his 58 years of priestly ministry. His skill in defending and explaining the Faith was honed during the early 1900s, when he began his mission work to non-Catholics, often attending Ku Klux Klan and other anti-Catholic rallies in order to directly confront the speakers and attendees. Driven by a desire to teach both Catholics and non-Catholics the value of the Faith in a language and format that they could understand, he launched what has become one of the largest Catholic publishing houses in the world, Our Sunday Visitor. In addition to creating a national Catholic newspaper and distributing millions of topical pamphlets on the Faith, he published several books, among which Father Smith Instructs Jackson quickly became a best-seller. After being installed as the fifth bishop of Fort Wayne, he became an esteemed leader among the United States bishops, eventually earning the honorary title of Archbishop as a sign of the Vatican s esteem for his work. (from Amazon).  Over three million copies have been distributed.

The Faith of Millions … The Credentials of the Catholic Religion by Fr. John A. O’Brien was first published in 1938 with 200,000 copies distributed by 1945.  It was reprinted in 27 editions and translated into 10 languages.

I’m still sticking with these.
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