Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread
(01-25-2012, 10:38 PM)yablabo Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 09:47 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: I don't understand; Catholics believe the following right?


- Outside the Church there is no salvation
- Non Catholics can be saved with sincere faith or invincible ignorance
- Baptized and believers are considered Catholics
- Unbaptized can be saved with desire for baptism
- Unbaptized are outside the Church
- Heretics are outside the Church
- Heretics can be saved
- Heretics are part of the Church, though not visibly.

One can only say yes to an amended list:


- Outside the Church there is no salvation
- Those who are baptized, have faith, frequent the sacraments, have not left the Church willingly, and have not been separated by judicial/juridical authority are part of the Church.
- Unbaptized are outside the Church
- Heretics are outside the Church
- Heretics can be saved if they are re-admitted to the Church through the power of the Keys before death.




(01-25-2012, 09:47 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: Hence, the unbaptized, invincibly ignorant, and non material heretics can be saved and are a part of the Church, even though they are outside the Church and even though 'outside the Church there is no salvation'

It doesn't seem to add up.

Your list doesn't add up...it's full of contradiction.

-- Nicole

Thus my point is illustrated.
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Re: Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread - by UnamSanctam - 01-25-2012, 11:15 PM



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