Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread
(01-25-2012, 09:47 PM)UnamSanctam Wrote: I don't understand; Catholics believe the following right?

- Outside the Church there is no salvation
- Non Catholics can be saved with sincere faith or invincible ignorance
- Baptized and believers are considered Catholics
- Unbaptized can be saved with desire for baptism
- Unbaptized are outside the Church
- Heretics are outside the Church
- Heretics can be saved
- Heretics are part of the Church, though not visibly.

Hence, the unbaptized, invincibly ignorant, and non material heretics can be saved and are a part of the Church, even though they are outside the Church and even though 'outside the Church there is no salvation'

It doesn't seem to add up.

No, Catholics do not believe everything you've listed (I agree with #1, 3-6, would amend #7 and completely disagree with #2 and 8.).

The divine and Catholic Faith is absolutely necessary for salvation (and Church membership), so actually, heretics are not members of the Church and cannot be saved as heretics (they profess a false faith).  If they receive divine Faith and perfect charity, then they be saved as members of the Church in voto.

Those who labor under invincible ignorance and sincerely seek the truth and to do God's will will be given an extraordinary grace to accept the Faith and make an act of perfect charity.  Invincible ignorance, of itself, does not save.
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Re: Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread - by SouthpawLink - 01-25-2012, 11:38 PM



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