Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread
The church does not disagree, and Ludwig Ott contradicts himself:

Dr. Ludwig Ott, Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma, The Necessity
of Baptism, p. 354: “1. Necessity of Baptism for Salvation‐
Baptism by water (Baptismus Fluminis) is, since the
promulgation of the Gospel, necessary for all men without
exception, for salvation. (de fide.)”

tell me, is it WRONG to believe that the sanctification of the holy spirit and the redemptive merits of Christs blood can be APPLIED APART from the waters of baptism in ANY circumstance?

It does not fall to any saint or individual or ANY theologian to interpret the deposit of faith for me, but it falls to the TEACHING Authority of the Church ALONE.

Pope Pius XII, Humani generis (# 21), Aug. 12, 1950: “This deposit of faith our
Divine Redeemer has given for authentic interpretation not to each of the
faithful, not even to theologians, but only to the Teaching Authority of the

Remember, the DOGMAS need no further interpretation, because they ARE interpretations of the deposit of faith!

SO, here is what you need to believe:

Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Constitution 1, 1215, ex cathedra:
“There is indeed one universal Church of the faithful, outside of which
nobody at all is saved, in which Jesus Christ is both priest and sacrifice.”

Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra:
“With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic
Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this
Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin…
Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature
that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman

Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne, Decree # 30, 1311‐1312, ex cathedra:
“Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects,
for exempt and non‐exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no
salvation, for all of whom there is one Lord, one faith, and one baptism…”3

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Sess. 8, Nov. 22, 1439, ex cathedra:
“Whoever wishes to be saved, needs above all to hold the Catholic faith; unless
each one preserves this whole and inviolate, he will without a doubt perish in

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all
those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or
heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the
everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they
are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this
ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only for those who abide in it do
the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and
other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia produce eternal
rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given
away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he
has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Pope Leo X, Fifth Lateran Council, Session 11, Dec. 19, 1516, ex cathedra:
“For, regulars and seculars, prelates and subjects, exempt and non‐exempt,
belong to the one universal Church, outside of which no one at all is saved, and
they all have one Lord and one faith.”

Pope Pius IV, Council of Trent, “Iniunctum nobis,” Nov. 13, 1565, ex cathedra:
“This true Catholic faith, outside of which no one can be saved… I now profess
and truly hold…”

Pope Benedict XIV, Nuper ad nos, March 16, 1743, Profession of Faith: “This faith
of the Catholic Church, without which no one can be saved, and which of my
own accord I now profess and truly hold…”
Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra:
“This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now
freely profess and truly hold…”


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Re: Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread - by Gregory I - 01-27-2012, 03:01 AM

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