Baptism of Desire: Avoiding the Red Herrings on a Nearby Thread
(01-30-2012, 07:08 PM)yablabo Wrote:
(01-30-2012, 03:13 AM)moneil Wrote:
(01-29-2012, 11:51 PM)yablabo Wrote: Pope St. Pius X never taught "baptism of desire" that I know of.  Though, to my recollection, the Bishop of Mantua does have a teaching of "baptism of desire" attributed to him, though his Catechism of Christian Doctrine isn't in print in its entirety any longer in order to be certain that he actually did teach "baptism of desire."

-- Nicole

The Catechism of Saint Pius X http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/ma...pindex.htm

Quote:17 Q: Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
A: The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.

Um...firstly the Catechismo della Dottrina Cristiana was never bound on the universal Church when it was published in 1908...and secondly, that quotation is from another book called Compendium of Catechetical Instruction by one Msgr. Hagan which was published in 1910.

-- Nicole


Um …

Firstly, it is well known that Catechismo della dottrina Cristiana, Pubblicato per Ordine del Sommo Pontifice San Pio X was not “bound on the universal Church” and no one has claimed otherwise.  It was prescribe to be used in the ecclesiastical province of Rome and its use did spread to other parts of Italy.  I have read that His Holiness had hoped and intended that it be used through out the Church.  Part of the reason for its absence at the time in English speaking countries may be because of the popularity of The Douay Catechism of 1649 http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/The%20Douay%20Catechism%20of%201649.pdf in the British Commonwealth and the Baltimore Catechism in the United States (both of which teach BOD/BOB).

Regarding your rather snarky “Though, to my recollection, the Bishop of Mantua does have a teaching of "baptism of desire" attributed to him, though his Catechism of Christian Doctrine isn't in print in its entirety any longer in order to be certain that he actually did teach "baptism of desire." it should be noted that the Catechism of Pope St. Pius X was issued in 1908 whereas His Holiness had Been Bishop of Mantua from 1884 to 1893 when he became Patriarch of Venice.  He was elected Pope in 1903.  His Catechism was issued during his papacy, not before. 

Secondly, Compendium of Catechetical Instruction by the Right Reverend Monsignor John Hagan, published in Dublin in 1910 IS the English translation of Saint Pius X’s Catechism.  As the EWTN edition states:
Quote: The only book where I was able to find the authentic text (of the Pius X Catechism) is the excellent Compendium of Catechetical Instruction by the Right Reverend Monsignor John Hagan, first published in Dublin in 1910, and containing for each chapter of the Catechism the relevant part from the Catechism of the Council of Trent, the questions and answers of the Catechism of Saint Pius X and Father Raineri's Catechetical Instructions, which were very popular in the nineteenth century.

I have located FOUR online editions of the Catechism of Saint Pius X.  ALL FOUR have the same exact question and answer:

[quote]
17 Q: Can the absence of Baptism be supplied in any other way?
A: The absence of Baptism can be supplied by martyrdom, which is called Baptism of Blood, or by an act of perfect love of God, or of contrition, along with the desire, at least implicit, of Baptism, and this is called Baptism of Desire.


http://www.ewtn.com/library/catechsm/piusxcat.htm

http://sites.google.com/site/apostolicap...int-pius-x

http://www.cin.org/users/james/ebooks/ma...pindex.htm

http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/Piu...US%20X.htm
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