The new Constitution [Fundamental Law] of Hungary - sanity in Europe??
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"Pro-Life Provisions In Hungarian Constitution Shock EU"

By Colin Mason and Steven Mosher

    Weekly Briefing: 2011 (v13)
http://www.pop.org/content/pro-life-prov...n-shock-eu

In a move that has shocked the European Union and drawn heavy fire from pro-choice and homosexual activist groups around the world, Hungary approved a new constitution that bans gay marriage, and protects human life from the moment of conception.

Approved on April 18th, the document also makes across-the-board changes to the Hungarian political structure, including financial reforms intended to address the country's ballooning deficits. According to Hungarian officials, this constitution is designed to be the final step in moving the former Soviet bloc country away from the old communist ways of doing things.

“We've just participated in a historical moment,” parliamentary speaker Laszlo Kover said to the Associated Press. “The new constitution is built upon our past and traditions, but seeks and contains answers to current problems while keeping an eye on the future.”

Questions have been raised about some of the constitution's provisions. Some have criticized a provision that allows the dissolution of parliament if a budget is not passed on time, but in an era of ballooning deficits, this may be just what is needed to achieve fiscal restraint. (Certainly the U.S. Congress would be forced to seriously address our own fiscal problems if their failure to do so would put them immediately before the electorate in a special election!)

Carlos Beltramo, PRI's correspondent in Spain, says that the new constitution also gives the government a tighter grip on the mass media and reduces the power of the Constitutional Court, Hungary's equivalent to the Supreme Court. These aspects of the new constitution, he notes, may raise legitimate concerns about possible infringements on civil liberties and create other problems down the road.

What is drawing the most attention from the media, however, is the fear-mongering of pro-choice and pro-homosexual groups, whose only reason for bashing the new constitution is that it protects life and marriage.

The Hungarian LGBT Alliance, for example, urged the president “not to sign the new Constitution into law, and to give a new opportunity to the Parliament to adopt a truly modern, European constitution ... instead of a political pamphlet motivated by homophobic prejudices.”

Human Rights Watch, which has become stridently pro-abortion over the past few years, has leveled criticism against the new constitution as well, fretting that (among other things) its pro-life clauses might “lead to efforts to overturn Hungary's abortion law and result in restrictions on abortion that would put a number of fundamental rights for women at stake.”

We at PRI sincerely hope that the worst fears of this pro-abortion organization are realized, and that the new constitution will provide the legal basis for restricting, if not banning entirely, abortions in dying Hungary. We concur with Beltramo that, while the new constitution may not be perfect, it is “the best on the European continent right now.”

As far as the constitution's other issues are concerned, Beltramo holds that, since Hungary is now recognizing basic rights like the right to life and the right to marriage, that they “can handle these other matters over time and without jeopardizing fundamental democratic principles.”

Which is why we at PRI applaud Hungary's efforts. While the new constitution may not be perfect, the fundamentals of a free and just society—the right to life and the protection of marriage—are now in place.

We now hope and pray that they continue to build upon these principles and create a society where all Hungarians are welcomed into the world and raised in natural families.
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Paul Krugman of the New York TImes waste no time in hammering Hungary. (Some facts are skewed in the article)
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01...stitution/ "The Unconstitutional Constitution"

and

Hungary’s constitution: pro-life, but no recognition for Islam, ‘smaller Catholic orders’
January 04, 2012

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/head...ryid=12860

"The new Hungarian constitution, which protects life from the moment of conception and bans same-sex marriage, will also have an impact upon religious freedom.

Writing in The New York Times, Kim Lane Scheppele, director of the Program in Law and Public Affairs at Princeton University, says that the new constitution, which took effect on January 1, discriminates against Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and several Protestant denominations, as well as against many Catholic religious orders.

Scheppele writes:

    What does the law on churches do? It creates 14 state-recognized religions, and decertifies the rest. On January 1, over 300 denominations lose their official status in Hungary--including their tax exemptions and their abilities to run state-funded schools.

    While most of the denominations are tiny, many are not. Among the religions that will no longer be able to operate with state approval are all versions of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Baha’i, as well as many smaller Catholic orders including the Benedictines, Marists, Carmelites and Opus Dei, and a number of major Protestant denominations including Episcopalians, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Mormons, Methodists, and all but one of the evangelical churches. One each of the orthodox, conservative and liberal Jewish synagogues are recognized; but all other Jewish congregations are not."

Keep Hungary in your prayers a firestorm is about to erupt.

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I noticed a previous FE thread about this statue that was inaugurated as a monument to the abortion victims by no less that the the Health Ministry of Slovenia.
Will the West countries moral salvation come from the East's former communist marxist countries?
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(01-04-2012, 11:55 AM)Don Quixote Wrote: Among the religions that will no longer be able to operate with state approval are all versions of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Baha’i, as well as many smaller Catholic orders including the Benedictines, Marists, Carmelites and Opus Dei..

This is not so good.  Why on earth are they "no longer approved"?
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(01-05-2012, 07:51 AM)Scotus Wrote:
(01-04-2012, 11:55 AM)Don Quixote Wrote: Among the religions that will no longer be able to operate with state approval are all versions of Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism and Baha’i, as well as many smaller Catholic orders including the Benedictines, Marists, Carmelites and Opus Dei..

This is not so good.  Why on earth are they "no longer approved"?

Hi Scotus, they can still apply and go through the process- ie. Muslims can as well.  These are a few kinks that need to be ironed out (ie. Jesuits?).

Well the Hungarian Bishops have spoken and are supporting the new Constitution! (Not sure what the Vatican is thinking about all of this)

"Hungarian Bishops Defend New Constitution":

Les évêques hongrois défendent la Constitution de Viktor Orbàn

http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/fr...p?c=554399

Voulue par le premier ministre Viktor Orbàn, une nouvelle Constitution, remplaçant celle de 1949, est entrée en vigueur le 1er janvier en Hongrie. Or les polémiques, qui ont éclaté dès la présentation du texte, ne s’apaisent pas. La Constitution affirme, entre autres, les valeurs de nation, de famille, de religion, de propriété et opte résolument pour la réaffirmation de l’identité traditionnelle du pays. Autre symbole, le drapeau hongrois retrouve ses armoiries, ceintes de la couronne de saint Étienne. Or cela ne plait pas à tout le monde. 

Rorate Caeli added this:

"The spirit of the pact permits such action"


2012:

    [Brussels.] The European Commission will use all of its powers to ensure Hungary complies with European Union principles, Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said on Thursday.

    The Commission is reviewing laws recently approved by Hungary’s Parliament to determine whether they are legally compatible with EU rules.

    "We remain preoccupied that some of that legislation may indeed be in violation of European laws and European principles," Mr Barroso said, answering a question at a press conference in Denmark. "We will use all our powers to make sure that Hungary complies with the principles, the values and the rules of the European Union and I am confident that we will achieve that," he added.


1956:

    Moscow (AP) - Defense Minister Marshal Georgi Zhukov said last night Soviet troops had intervened in Hungary's unrest "in the spirit of the Warsaw Pact" and could be withdrawn from that country only by common agreement among members of the Pact
    ...
    Asked his position on legal justification for involvement of Soviet troops in the fighting in Budapest, in view of the Western position that the Warsaw Pact provides no such justification, Zhukov said: "That is a bad interpretation of the Pact. The spirit of the pact permits such action." [St.Petersburg Times, Oct. 30, 1956]

So the NWO strikes back:



EU threatens Hungary with legal action...........



Published on Jan 11, 2012 by Euronews

Hungary's difficulties with the EU have taken a new twist with Brussels threatening legal action if the country does not do more to get a grip of its huge debt.

Already in the dog house over its new constitution, the latest warnings from the EU add to Budapest's economic woes, putting a potential financial bail-out in jeopardy.

Plus..........................................

Hungary ‘junk’ with all three rating agencies http://www.france24.com/en/20120106-hung...g-agencies

Moody’s downgrades five Hungarian banks http://www.marketwatch.com/story/moodys-...2011-12-16

SEC hits Magyar Telekom (The largest telecommunications firm in Hungary) with bribery charges http://www.marketwatch.com/story/sec-hit...2011-12-29

EU: state aid to Hungary’s Malev breaks trust law http://www.marketwatch.com/story/eu-stat...2012-01-09

Hungary Says Downgrade An Attack; Awaits EU, IMF Talks http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2011..._news_blog

Because:

Hungary tells EU no central bank merger until 2013 http://www.france24.com/en/20111231-hung...until-2013

Hungary May Have to Bow to IMF Conditions to Access Financial Assistance http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-22...tance.html

Fitch: IMF deal for Hungary would be positive step http://www.marketwatch.com/story/fitch-i...-18-113190

Hungary stocks slide amid controversial new law http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hungary...2011-12-30

Hungarian stocks tumbled on Friday, in the wake of new laws that observers say will weaken the independence of its central bank.

The Hungary BUX index fell 1.7% to 16,690.34 after media outlets reported the country has approved laws that strip from central bank Governor President Andras Simor, such as stripping his right to name deputies and expanding the Monetary Rate Council.

Earlier Friday, parliament gave its approval to a separate law that allows for the central bank president to be demoted if that institution becomes part of the financial regulator, said a report in Bloomberg.

The International Monetary Fund and the European Union reportedly broke off talks with Hungary over the law and it was one of the reasons Standard & Poor’s downgraded the country’s debt to junk last week"

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(01-03-2012, 09:32 PM)Jesusbrea Wrote:
(01-03-2012, 02:22 PM)In nomine Patris Wrote: IF THAT EVER HAPPENED IN THE US, aww it wont, not with the ACLU, womens lib, Gloria Steinhem, Hillary Clinton, NAMBLA, homosexual lobby, ....bravo for Hungary...

I think you forgot the USCCB... shame on you :fish:
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God bless Hungary
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#17
Long live Hungary under this new Constitution.  And kudos for telling Monsanto, EU, IMF, NWO and the homosexuals to take a hike.
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The pushback has begun. While these cases don't attack the parts of the Constitution we've been discussing, I'm sure it's just the opening salvo in the war.

EU Begins Legal Cases Against Hungary

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...49280.html
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(01-18-2012, 12:16 AM)jovan66102 Wrote: The pushback has begun. While these cases don't attack the parts of the Constitution we've been discussing, I'm sure it's just the opening salvo in the war.

EU Begins Legal Cases Against Hungary

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...49280.html
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No one can escape the "superforce," NWO, powers that be, corporations, whatever one wishes to call it. As I heard Fr. Malachi Martin once say "from the pampas of Argentina, to Kathmandu, Nepal, to right here in New York City, there's no escaping it, Bernard."
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