Pre-Reformation English rebelliousness?
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May the glorious Vigil of the Epiphany shine upon your hearts... :)

I've been looking into the ecclesiastical history of England through the ages. There are many disturbing trends of a rebellious nature. Stigand of Canterbury was elected against several different claimants by monks of the cathedral chapter of 1051, but the Pope refused to recognise him. He never made the trip to Rome to receive the white pallium that bishops must wear.

Several Kings of England had what seemed like a Germanic Salian streak of pushing for lay investiture of bishops throughout the 11th and 12th centuries. Even King John in the early 1200s had this idea that his selection for the Archbishopric of Canterbury should be independent of the Pope. It took a war and several angry nobles to show him what was what.

William of Ockham and apparently many English Franciscans were very disobedient, or at least hostile to submitting to Papal rule. The famous Lollards and Wycliffe were not exactly lovable when it came to Rome.

These schismatics  think England was Orthodox before 1066. Anglicans believe it was evangelical (16th century sense) before 1066. We say it was Catholic, given the love St. Anselm showed for the papacy in the 1090's.

Whence all this intense history of rebellion? Are there more examples lurking in history? Does it all point, ever so dreadfully, to Henry VIII and 1534? What of the rhetoric of "Mary's Dowry"?

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Pre-Reformation English rebelliousness? - by Laetare - 01-05-2012, 08:24 AM

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