This Place is a Cesspit
#1
Let me qualify that with an initial admission that there are MANY people here who seem to be very kind, thoughtful and intelligent people.  That being said, I feel like taking a shower whenever I visit this place because there is such a substantial presence of really virulent, disturbing antisemitism (not to be confused with mere anti-Zionism, a perfectly respectable inclination) and fascist sympathizers.  What I find most disturbing is the tendency of the many decent people here to apparently be undisturbed by their being associated with suck ilk.  I have to say that before I came here I had always had a fairly positive inclination towards Traditional Catholicism.  I found it to be far more substantive than so much of post -vatican II wishy washy Catholicism and had always had the experience that traditional Catholics tended to be much more thoughtful and intelligent practitioners of the faith than liberal Catholics.  But this sight has left me utterly repulsed with the movement.  I now see that there is indeed a clear link between Traditional Catholicism and fascism and my interest in reinvestigating my lapsed faith through the prism of Traditional Catholicism has vanished. 
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#2
Will- sounds like a good idea.  Leaving, I mean.  FE is a great place, but not always.  Just remember one thing as you go- that the opinions of people on this website are just opinions.  Go with God and especially keep the faith.  Prayers for you, and pray for us!
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Go thy ways, old Jack;
die when thou wilt, if manhood, good manhood, be
not forgot upon the face of the earth, then am I a
shotten herring. There live not three good men
unhanged in England; and one of them is fat and
grows old: God help the while! a bad world, I say.
I would I were a weaver; I could sing psalms or any
thing. A plague of all cowards, I say still.
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#3
I'm not saying I'm leaving.  Just that this has dispelled me from having any interest in embracing traditional Catholicism.  I guess my hope is that you all will some day decide that as a site you're not going to tolerate Nazi sympathizers and don't want to be associated with such ugliness.  Because that association is there.  This place has a reputation.  I knew that before I signed up but I was honestly shocked at how endemic is is. 
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#4
I don't really see very many fascists here. The vast majority of posters support Ron Paul, hardly a fascist. Sure, there are some posters with some odd opinions, but I don't think that is a very good reason for rejecting traditionalist Catholicism.
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#5
I think the problem is that traditional Catholicism by its very nature attracts people of very..... authoritarian mindsets.
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#6
I hope you reconsider your view of traditional Catholicism.  It's not about us little people and what we may think about stuff that gets posted at some little messageboard on the World Wide Web, it's about a proper view of the relationship between God and Man. 

Work out your salvation with fear and trembling.
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#7
Also, the internet has a way of concentrating the kind of people who thrive on that sort of thing. Where you minght have one or two in a parish, here you can gather all of them from parishes all around the world.

Another effect of the internet is that people have less of a sense that they are interacting with real people with real feelings, so they are more likely to express extreme views in a nasty way.
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#8
First of all, welcome! That said, have a gander at the Rules and description of the forums. This is a very loosely moderated forum, run by one woman. If you see anything something that violates them, use the "report to moderator" button. Vox Clamantis doesn't suffer many -isms, but she can't be everywhere.

Da Rulz Wrote:No blasphemy, sacrilege, obscenity, prurience, or posts that seem (to the moderators) 1) to promote Church-banned ideologies (Communism, Nazism, socialism, usurious capitalism, Jansenism, religiously-based Zionism, dispensationalism, Noahidism, Freemasonry, racism)

So, yeah if you see "nazi sympathizers" by all means report it.

Second, don't leave Jesus because of Judas. All of us are sinners.
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#9
Will37,
I have never seen you post until now. When you saw the offensive posts you refer to above, why did you not speak up? If you believed the thoughts of of others were truly immoral and wrong, why did you not attempt to sway those who wrote such things away from their bad opinions. Don't you think it's a little unfair to level such accusations as you have leveled completely out of context? I have no idea of the contents of the posts you refer to, nor their context. Heck, you may have been offended by something I wrote, for all I know (although I think you would have a heck of a time trying to construe me as a fascist). Before you give up on us and traditional Catholicism, why don't you make an attempt to engage us and question us on our beliefs/opinions, rather than silently harboring ill feelings without seeking further clarification or discussion?
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#10
Multiple Nazi-types have been banned recently.  The site certainly isn't as tolerant of them as you may think.
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