Jan 21 Bp Williamson column
(01-25-2012, 03:13 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 02:59 PM)TrentCath Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 02:48 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(01-25-2012, 07:32 AM)TrentCath Wrote:
(01-24-2012, 11:56 PM)JayneK Wrote:
(01-24-2012, 11:53 PM)Gerard Wrote: The bad bishops and bad Cardinals were appointed by the Popes.  When it was manifest that they were genuinely bad, the Popes did nothing to correct the issue. 

This is more true of JPII than of B16.

No, please use facts and not opinion or preconceived ideas. This is JUST as true of JpII as Benedict XVI who has approved the Neocats, blessed the loony charasmatics, made dodgy bishops cardinal and not got rid of bad bishops. Again please lets deal with issues as they are not how you want them to be.

I did not say that B16 was perfect in this regard, so coming up with some examples of his mistakes does not refute my assertion.  You need to show that he made just as many bad appointments as JPII did.  B16 obviously has not had time to do so, even if he were as lacking gifts in this area as JPII.  I suspect if we were to come up with some sort of bad appointment per year measurement, we would see a difference.  Are you aware some objective measurement of this or are you just countering my opinion with your opinion?

So then Benedict XVI is merely a small improvement on JPII who is in himself only a small improvement on Pope Paul VI?

I don't need to show anything, the evidence speaks for itself.

You need to present the evidence in order for it to speak. Of course you need to show something and not just make assertions. 

(01-25-2012, 02:59 PM)TrentCath Wrote: Why have these bishops not been sent off in exile or forbidden to exercise their duties as bishop? Pope Benedict XVI is just as responsible as Pope John Paul II (who was a good friend of his and whom he undoubtedly advised) for failing to get rid of these bishops or discipline them properly as Pope John Paul II is in creating them.

Lets deal with some facts:

1) Pope Benedict XVI still has not celebrated the TLM in public
2)Pope Benedict XVI renewed the scandal of Assisi with Assisi 3 which which was in itself a scandalous event
3)Pope Benedict XVI has approved the neocats
4)Pope Benedict XVI has not removed the liberal bishops appointed over the last 40 years
5)Pope Benedict XVI has not created a single traditionalist bishop or cardinal
6)Pope Benedict has prayed with infidels and engaged in active participation with heretics and schismatics vis a vis the eastern orthodox churches and the anglican church

The list goes on  >:(

Your list goes well beyond the scope of discussing appointments and removals of bishops, which is the question at hand.  Removing bishops is quite difficult and only gets done in extreme cases.  I think that appointments are a better indicator of a pope's policies.

Rubbish. Popes can act decisively when they want to, if he can't be bothered to get rid of the bad bishops who are endangering souls he is failing in his duty as the good sheperd and that is very serious.
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Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by a83192 - 01-21-2012, 10:38 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-21-2012, 11:16 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-21-2012, 01:24 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Josué - 01-21-2012, 04:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by ggreg - 01-21-2012, 06:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Warrenton - 01-21-2012, 07:16 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by tmw89 - 01-21-2012, 07:22 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Josué - 01-22-2012, 12:37 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 09:08 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by dahveed - 01-22-2012, 09:10 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 10:50 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 11:11 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Justin - 01-22-2012, 11:35 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 11:55 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 11:58 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 11:59 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 12:03 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 12:37 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-22-2012, 12:43 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 12:51 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 01:12 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 01:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 01:34 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Meg - 01-22-2012, 01:35 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Warrenton - 01-22-2012, 01:51 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-22-2012, 02:29 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-22-2012, 02:38 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by calicatholic - 01-22-2012, 08:12 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-22-2012, 09:32 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by calicatholic - 01-23-2012, 01:41 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Dragonslayer - 01-23-2012, 02:14 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Tapatio - 01-23-2012, 02:27 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Guardian - 01-23-2012, 02:54 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Stubborn - 01-23-2012, 07:35 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 08:05 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Jesse - 01-23-2012, 02:09 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 02:53 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 02:58 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Jesse - 01-23-2012, 03:04 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 03:07 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 03:10 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 03:15 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 03:25 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 03:43 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Historian - 01-23-2012, 04:03 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 04:09 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Justin - 01-23-2012, 09:05 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 09:25 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-23-2012, 09:52 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 10:01 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-23-2012, 10:43 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-23-2012, 11:48 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 12:02 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by calicatholic - 01-24-2012, 11:35 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 12:58 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 01:02 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 01:08 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Old Salt - 01-24-2012, 01:19 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Old Salt - 01-24-2012, 01:34 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Old Salt - 01-24-2012, 01:47 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 02:01 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 02:27 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 02:34 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:48 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:50 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:52 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 03:53 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 04:30 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 04:33 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 04:36 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 04:39 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 05:04 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-24-2012, 05:04 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 11:28 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 11:31 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 11:33 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Gerard - 01-24-2012, 11:53 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-24-2012, 11:56 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 07:32 AM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-25-2012, 02:48 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 02:59 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by Tapatio - 01-25-2012, 03:08 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:10 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-25-2012, 03:13 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:15 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by JayneK - 01-25-2012, 03:16 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:17 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:22 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:25 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by tmw89 - 01-25-2012, 03:29 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:32 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by tmw89 - 01-25-2012, 03:44 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:47 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 03:50 PM
Re: Jan 21 Bp Williamson column - by TrentCath - 01-25-2012, 04:01 PM
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