My experience at the NO
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(01-26-2012, 03:39 PM)Someone1776 Wrote:
(01-26-2012, 03:12 PM)NOtard Wrote:
(01-26-2012, 03:05 PM)TrentCath Wrote: ...

I will reply by quoting those who know far more about this than me '
Letter from Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci to His Holiness Pope Paul VI
September 25th, 1969

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All of the above comes from the '[i]The Ottaviani Intervention'
which you may read here http://fisheaters.com/ottavianiintervention.html

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I have been told that the Ottaviani Intervention was presented to the Pope before the Novus Ordo Missae was promulgated, and that, based on that, changes were made before promulgation, such that Cardinal Ottaviani withdrew his objections.

Is anybody familiar with this story, and is it true?

Father Cekeda gives one of the best descriptions of the Ottaviani intervention in this video:



No changes were made to the Novus Ordo itself, but many changes were made to the General Instruction which explained the mass.

My big criticism of this argument is that he builds up Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci as these fearless orthodox guys that didn't take crap from anyone to explain why they objected to the NO...but when they accept the changes to the General Instruction suddenly they have become weakhearted and "fooled."  I thought Cardinal Bacci "didn't scare easily?" What happened?  Ottavani, the hardline head of the Holy Office (formerly the Inquisition) couldn't see through this cleverness? 

Father Cekeda also doesn't mention the Apostolic Constitution of the Missale Romanum a document that carries much more weight than the memoirs of modernists in understanding what the NO is about.  You don't find any discussion of assembly theology, but within the second sentence the mass is described as a "sacrifice" and Paul points at continuity with the Mass of Pius V.

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_v...um_en.html

Note: Ottavani did complain about some parts of the Apostolic Constitution of the Missale Romanum. 

Who knows but compared to the rest of the curia and bishops who said nothing they certainly were hardline.
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My experience at the NO - by Petertherock - 01-25-2012, 10:45 AM
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