The real St. Francis of Assisi
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(01-30-2012, 10:36 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote:
(01-30-2012, 10:09 PM)Vetus Ordo Wrote: The adjective "feminine" is used to describe traits like sensitivity, gentleness, warmth, acceptance, etc. You're interpreting it as a jab against the female gender itself but that's not the point, neither Voris's or mine.

I'm confused as to what his point is then.. I don't think those traits (sensitivity, gentleness, warmth, acceptance) are bad at all, but Voris seems to think they are. I'm assuming he doesn't dislike women, but he seems to dislike our traits. He uses terms like “the cult of the feminine.” The church is "femininized" and that makes it “weak.” With all the talk of "balance" on this thread -- Voris doesn't seem to think the Church needs that.

The traits are not bad in themselves. They're bad when they are prevalent at the expense of the others, which is the case in the modern Church. The Church is indeed our mother and, as any caring mother, she accepts her children in their weakness as sinners. However, the Church also inebriates our hearts and souls with the boldness and strength of the gospel, that proceeds from our Father, God, and is manifested by the piercing light of its doctrine, its intellectual rigour, its drawing mysticism, its capacity to reform men's hearts and to turn society upside down, its fruits of martyrdom and knighthood, etc.

I believe that what Voris laments is the lack of these masculine traits in the modern Church. While he may err in excess or defect here and there with his rhetoric and swirling pencil, he's trying to address an inescapable reality: the liberal Church can only produce perishable fruits. He only has to make the final leap and see Vatican II as the source of the problem.  This new church that sprang from the council can be described as "feminine" because it lacks decisive masculine qualities. She's infested by gay and effeminate clerics that can only preach an effeminate Christ, she has a gospel that produces no vocations and no spiritual renewal, a doctrine so docile that leaves non-Catholics justified in their errors in the name of "love" and "acceptance," and parishes run by women who, although well-meaning, disrupt the natural order that God intended for His Church, etc.

So, to sum it up: it's not that "feminine" is bad and "masculine" is good. It's that only feminine is bad and no masculine is no good.

Quote:As for St. Francis, lola hit the nail on the head about his temperament and passion. Just because a person (male or female) is emotional, does not mean they don't use their reason. Francis was Italian, medieval, and a poet at heart. And he was orthodox in his Catholic views. That's all. But Voris turns it into a gender battle... again.

As I said before, I'm not exactly a big fan of St. Francis but it's true that he's been ridiculously protrayed as a hippie by the modern Church and that needs to be corrected.
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Re: The real St. Francis of Assisi - by Norbert - 01-30-2012, 05:07 PM
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