The real St. Francis of Assisi
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(01-30-2012, 09:14 PM)StrictCatholicGirl Wrote: I have a question for you all who say that the "feminization" of the church is sickening. 

If we had a “masculinized” church – what would it look like? Obviously it wouldn't have women lectors, altar girls, females in the choir, or women leading parish council, right? It wouldn't have kumbaya singing, hand-holding clergy. I wasn't sure if Voris, in his series on "masculinity", was bemoaning the lack of manly/male presence on the parish level - or some other level.

Now the Apostles were evangelists and missioners, and the Church Fathers were theologians and apologists, and those roles (preaching, theology, canon law, apologetics) are still dominated by men. Pope, bishops, priests and deacons are still men. Of course, as I was saying earlier, they are PASTORS, not “bloodthirsty” “combative” “aggressive” “conquering” warriors – words that Voris used in his series, while flashing scenes of Crusaders in the background, as if this is the epitome of Catholic manhood. Instead he should have flashed scenes of Jesuit missioners being tortured for the faith. Or St. Ignatius being led to the lions at 80 years of age, frail as he was. But Voris won't include martyrs in his flashbacks, for there were just as many women who shared that victory.

But let's assume Voris is bemoaning the “feminization” of parish life. Pardon my bluntness, but how much testosterone do you need to sign up for Eucharistic adoration? Last fall we had a weekend for 40 Hours Devotion and most of the names on the list were female, just a few males. If spending an hour with Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament is too “girly” for the men in our parish, then they can keep manning the beer booth at the festival for all I care. I know that the presence of women is sometimes off-putting to men, but it doesn't keep them away from the soccer games and the Monte Carlo nights, where there are just as many moms as there are dads.

The problem we have in the Church today stems from various things... Feminism is part of it. But "the feminine" is not. Please tell me when Holy MOTHER Church was ever “bloodthirsty” and all-muscle? Voris sounds like he wants to “Islam-ize” Catholicism. “Real Catholic Men” aren't intimidated by women!

Greetings StrictCatholicGirl,

First of all, Michael Voris is talking about the masculine attitude and way of problem solving. When he's talking about the 'feminization' of the Church, he's talking about the loss of masculinity in the life of the Church, which has been replaced with a more feminine approach. Each gender has it's own behaviours, roles and attributes, obviously with males being masculine in nature and females being feminine in nature. The problem is when one of these dominate the other, or when the distinction between the two is removed. This is what has happened in Western Society by the feminists for the past 50 years - with the feminine taking over the roles of the masculine, and the minimization of gender roles.  The virtues of masculinity - being bold, blunt and tough, have been overtaken by more feminine approaches. Excommunicating publicly scandalous heretics and dissidents - a very masculine approach. Opening dialogue to solve the problem, a more feminine one. That is the difference. The former has been just about extinguished in the past 50 years in the Church.


Quote:"The problem we have in the Church today stems from various things... Feminism is part of it. But "the feminine" is not. Please tell me when Holy MOTHER Church was ever “bloodthirsty” and all-muscle? Voris sounds like he wants to “Islam-ize” Catholicism. “Real Catholic Men” aren't intimidated by women!"

That's not what Michael Voris was saying. He was saying the absence of masculinity has caused an exodus of Catholic men, and that "the Church has been feminized to the point of being a turn-off to many men"
1. He goes on "The constant retreat by leaders and officials in the face of these two juggernaughts {Feminism and homosexual militancy} simply turns off men, and they do what every person does, they vote with their feet."1

1. "Why Men Don't Go To Mass" - RealCatholicTV

Blessings,

TraditionalistThomas.
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